Just Submitted Form 1 Using Online Submission with Trust

sleev-les · Sep 18, 2013

Ok, so this makes things a little easier with a trust, but their system is very particular. You have to have a certain internet explorer for it to work and even then, its tempermental at best. When loading my Trust documents, it has a 3mb file size limit so I had to downsize the file, which made the text blurry. Hopefully this doesn't cause a problem since the signatures and notary seal are legible. The text overall is blurry, but I could read it. I guess it will depend on them. Overall, this isn't a bad system and made submission a lot easier if you have a trust.

Timeline

Form 1 Submitted 9/18
Confirmation of Receipt 9/18
Credit Card Charged 9/18

If you want to try the online submission:
www.atfonline.gov

-Click on the eforms link
-create an account
-log in and you will see a scroll bar with the form options at the top
-Use the scroll bar and do not try to drag and drop the actual emblem because the system won't let that happen
-now click on the emblem to access the form and start filling in the information
-when you get to the "upload doc" portion, make sure your trust document is 3mb or less (this is where I had to downsize the file, making it blurry)

I recommend saving the online form (save button at bottom) at certain points because the system is not perfect and it hung on me so I had to restart everything.

smdub · Sep 18, 2013

newb here (got my trust docs from rusty today to review): If submitting online w/ a trust, how do you do payment from the trusts bank acct? Pay that part of your CC bill from the trust acct? You're supposed to pay for everything out of that acct right?

sleev-les · Sep 18, 2013

I don't use a trust bank account... There are a couple threads about the pro's and cons of one. I just paid with my credit card

Klunatic · Sep 18, 2013

Does this speed up the processing of the Form 1?

Blake_7.62 · Sep 18, 2013

Might have to submit mine online tomorrow then! Thanks for the post.

sleev-les · Sep 19, 2013

Klunatic said:
Does this speed up the processing of the Form 1?

Not sure yet. Overall, it cuts down on mailing time at least and you get a confirmation that the application was received. In my opinion, that is somewhat of a benefit since snail mail can put a little more time on any app process. The only thing I'm skeptical on is the trust document attachment like I said above. Making a pdf of that size and having to downscale the file makes it blurry and I'm not sure how the BATF will respond to that. I'll try to keep this thread updated as to how its been going and I'll put a timeline in my OP.

Klunatic · Sep 19, 2013

sleev-les said:
Not sure yet. Overall, it cuts down on mailing time at least and you get a confirmation that the application was received. In my opinion, that is somewhat of a benefit since snail mail can put a little more time on any app process. The only thing I'm skeptical on is the trust document attachment like I said above. Making a pdf of that size and having to downscale the file makes it blurry and I'm not sure how the BATF will respond to that. I'll try to keep this thread updated as to how its been going and I'll put a timeline in my OP.

I was thinking more along the lines that a snail mail application must be keyed into the system by a paper pusher and that is now taking up to 2 months to occur. Would be curious to know if you "jump" ahead of the snail mail applications by doing this. I sent in 2 Form 1 Trust docs in early July.

sleev-les · Sep 19, 2013

Klunatic said:
I was thinking more along the lines that a snail mail application must be keyed into the system by a paper pusher and that is now taking up to 2 months to occur. Would be curious to know if you "jump" ahead of the snail mail applications by doing this. I sent in 2 Form 1 Trust docs in early July.

That I don't know, but I'll update my timeline as it progresses

Pushrod · Sep 19, 2013

Do you have a link available for the online submission? Save me some time looking for it.
Thanks.

sleev-les · Sep 19, 2013

Pushrod said:
Do you have a link available for the online submission? Save me some time looking for it.
Thanks.

www.atfonline.gov

-Click on the eforms link
-create an account
-log in and you will see a scroll bar with the form options at the top
-Use the scroll bar and do not try to drag and drop the actual emblem because the system won't let that happen

I'll put this in the OP as well.

Justler · Sep 19, 2013

You will need a 12 digit password with capitals, numbers and symbols. Here's one I use:

http://www.pctools.com/guides/password/

Just check include punctuation and increase length from 8 to 12.

I am hoping this reduces the time for applications...

I attached:

Trust (the scanned notarized copy)
Schedule A
Letter to Successor

Pretty easy process. Here is some info too on how to fill it out:

http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2013/08/gun-trust-and-submitting-atf-f.html

From that site, in particular what's important:

UPDATE I have been notified by the ATF that you should list the Trust name under the Licensee and the Trade Name sould be blank but they will not reject or require a change to an application that is submitted as shown.

sleev-les · Sep 20, 2013

Justler said:
You will need a 12 digit password with capitals, numbers and symbols. Here's one I use:

http://www.pctools.com/guides/password/

Just check include punctuation and increase length from 8 to 12.

I am hoping this reduces the time for applications...

I attached:

Trust (the scanned notarized copy)
Schedule A
Letter to Successor

Pretty easy process. Here is some info too on how to fill it out:

http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2013/08/gun-trust-and-submitting-atf-f.html

From that site, in particular what's important:

UPDATE I have been notified by the ATF that you should list the Trust name under the Licensee and the Trade Name sould be blank but they will not reject or require a change to an application that is submitted as shown.

I called the BATF before submitting and they said I did not need a schedule A attached, just the trust document. Just an FYI.

r3t1awr3yd · Sep 20, 2013

If you don't have a trust, how would you submit prints? Or can this not be used for individuals submitting for a Form 1?

sleev-les · Sep 23, 2013

r3t1awr3yd said:
If you don't have a trust, how would you submit prints? Or can this not be used for individuals submitting for a Form 1?

Online submission is for trust submissions.

SneakySh0rty · Sep 24, 2013

dang, trying to make an online account and it seems it doesnt like the space in my last name. de Castro, renders an invalid username :mad54:

sleev-les · Sep 24, 2013

I had trouble with certain versions of internet explorer. The system is seriously flawed as far as compatibility. I had to finally use my Mac with Safari to get it to work.

shootin the breeze · Sep 24, 2013

I've submitted two online and it worked fine with the current IE on my windows laptop although I lost connection once and had to re-attach the trust document. Overall very easy.

sygata · Sep 25, 2013

anybody got an email next day, asking to confirm that you making a receiver?

sleev-les · Sep 25, 2013

sygata said:
anybody got an email next day, asking to confirm that you making a receiver?

nope. I just log in to see the status. Nothing sent other than acknowledgement of receipt

zombie killer · Sep 25, 2013

I submitted one last week for an adcor lower that they didn't have in their drop down menu and I listed the caliber as multi, they emailed me the next day asking what I wanted to designate it as, but for my other one they haven't contacted me at all.

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