Fishguy
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Well, duh, when you shoot prone, you are closer to the ground than when you shoot from the bench so of course your shots will impact lower on the target.
Assess my target, please.
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byf43
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My eyesight is getting so bad, if I block my non-dominant eye, I need a white cane with a red tip!!!!!!!
(I wonder what kind of reaction I'd get at the range, if I showed up with that!?!?!?!?!?)
As long as you brought a short shottie, no comments...
Russ D
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Both eyes open is for short range fast shooting like in 3 gun competition. It will get you A zone hits but I only use it for 25 yards and in. Anything over that and I'm closing my non dominant eye and focusing on the reticle and target.
bigdummy30
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First ,neither is a very good group. And my guess would be the rest you used putting different pressure / balance on the gun or depending on how fast you were shooting MAYBE heat buildup....but that is a lot of heat to do that.
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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Not to bust the OP's chops , but diagnostic question #1 is :
What size groups do you usually shoot with rifes of known accuraccy using known ammunition ?
What size groups do you usually shoot with rifes of known accuraccy using known ammunition ?
BunkerKing
5.56 ammo horder. . .
this was with iron sights, you should get way better groups.
Besides the barrel resting on a hard surface, cheek weld, parallax issues...you could be flinching {dipping}, the butt of the stock rested on a bouncy {pillow?} surface, or upper body tension {you'll have to relax}.
Blacksmith101
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He was punching holes in paper and if you want the smallest group the basics apply.
The use of a "blinder" is so you can keep both eyes open. The same amount of light reaching both eyes will provide better balance and better visual acuity. It depends on the relative dominance of each eye. Some people can shoot with both eyes open with no problem but some get a double image. A blinder or some other way to block just the pupil area of the non dominate eye will allow both eyes to remain open and improve shooting.
I should have added shooting from the dominate eye to the original list. If you look at competitive shooters the higher you go in ranking the fewer non dominate eye shooters you will find and at the Olympic level all shooters use their dominate eye. You will also find the use of blinders common in competitions to allow people to use both eyes.
Perhaps this quote from the United States Army Marksmanship Unit answering a question will shed some additional light on this "shit".
D-O-M-I-N-A-N-T.
Dominate is a verb....as in, you like chimpanzees to dominate you sexually.
And shooting with both eyes open does not work for all shooters, especially when shooting at longer distances. If one puts a blinder over their eye, there isn't any light getting to it. Hence the word "blinder". As in something which blinds...prevents from seeing. If you aren't preventing the eye from seeing, then it's not a blinder.
OP is also using magnified optics, not iron sights, which is what your little quote addresses. So it has absolutely nothing to do with what he's asking.
But hey, if he's shooting a rifle, it must mean he should follow to the letter the same "rules" that someone came up with in the 1930s. Surely nothing has changed since then right?
Dominate is a verb....as in, you like chimpanzees to dominate you sexually.
And shooting with both eyes open does not work for all shooters, especially when shooting at longer distances. If one puts a blinder over their eye, there isn't any light getting to it. Hence the word "blinder". As in something which blinds...prevents from seeing. If you aren't preventing the eye from seeing, then it's not a blinder.
OP is also using magnified optics, not iron sights, which is what your little quote addresses. So it has absolutely nothing to do with what he's asking.
But hey, if he's shooting a rifle, it must mean he should follow to the letter the same "rules" that someone came up with in the 1930s. Surely nothing has changed since then right?
dist1646
Ultimate Member
Tubb only puts a piece of scotch tape on non aiming side of his glasses and keeps both eyes open. The purpose is to prevent dilation of the aiming eye.
Bertfish
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No one ever listens when I tell them that I shoot better with one eye closed. I've never done well with both eyes open.
Anyways, everyone can return to the original thread now
bigalf
Active Member
I would try to make sure your keeping your cheek in exactly the same spot each time. Also maybe try to shoot iron sights first to get a sweet spot on the stock and not have to worry about getting bumped from scope. I dont know how experienced with AR platforms you are, just making a friendly suggestion, take no offense.
SCARCQB
Get Opp my rawn, Plick!
Parallax caused by the difference in cheekweld from benchrest vs prone.
Blacksmith101
Grumpy Old Man
- Jun 22, 2012
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D-O-M-I-N-A-N-T.
Dominate is a verb....as in, you like chimpanzees to dominate you sexually.
And shooting with both eyes open does not work for all shooters, especially when shooting at longer distances. If one puts a blinder over their eye, there isn't any light getting to it. Hence the word "blinder". As in something which blinds...prevents from seeing. If you aren't preventing the eye from seeing, then it's not a blinder.
OP is also using magnified optics, not iron sights, which is what your little quote addresses. So it has absolutely nothing to do with what he's asking.
But hey, if he's shooting a rifle, it must mean he should follow to the letter the same "rules" that someone came up with in the 1930s. Surely nothing has changed since then right?
Thanks for pointing out the spelling error I fixed it for you.
Nothing works for "all shooters" but when it works for most shooters it is something that should be given a fair trial before rejecting. In shooting circles a "blinder" does not keep all light from getting to the eye it obscures the vision to prevent that eye from focusing. Most experienced shooters use blinders that allow an equal amount of light to reach each eye.
I gave a quote from a knowledgeable source that was addressing a related problem instead of simply repeating a personal opinion, everyone has an opinion. The reasons for keeping eyes open remain the same no matter what type sights you are using (this is my opinion I await a knowledgeable quote in rebuttal).
Actually the list of some of the basics has changed since the 1930's however some of the principles are much older and the road to the best marksmanship is founded on fundamentals. Of course the definition of "good marksmanship" depends on who is doing the shooting.
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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The fundamentals of marksmanship are the underpinnings of all forms of single projectile shooting. They go back long before the 1930's, or the 1830's , or the 1730's. Nothing has changed , or will. Proper hold (grip) , proper position (stance) , aiming , trigger control , and follow thru. Applies equally to latest evil black rifle ( or combat tupperwear ) , as to a matchlock.
And FWIW , 99% of *Advanced Shooting* skills are *Basic Shooting* skills done well .
And FWIW , 99% of *Advanced Shooting* skills are *Basic Shooting* skills done well .
This.
And although your MOA is sufficiently combat effective, shooting prone or bench with a scope; you or your gun/scope are not dialed in tight enough.
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