Testimony of a Wrongly Arrested Restricted Carry Permit Holder

Abacab · Feb 12, 2018

hillbilly grandpa said:
OK. Help a brother out. BGOs?

Battered gun owner syndrome.

esqappellate · Feb 12, 2018

hillbilly grandpa said:
OK. Help a brother out. BGOs?

"Battered Gun Owner Syndrome"

HankR · Feb 12, 2018

esqappellate said:
"Battered Gun Owner Syndrome"

It's a Maryland thing.

44man · Feb 12, 2018

Kinda like only in md nothing is something when it comes to the 2a

Schipperke · Feb 13, 2018

Abacab said:
I've been told I have BGOS for not wanting to risk my ability to own a gun due to this MSP BS.

But hey I guess it's easy to smear people when you have virtually an unrestricted permit.

It's ironic, those are the ones that usually do..

frogman68 · Feb 13, 2018

Biggfoot44 said:
New Jersey uses Judges to ISSUE .

Our NJ members correct me if I'm wrong, but I have the impression the Judges mainly just follow the recomendations of the investigating PD .

Looked it up

we are both right . The Chief LEO and a Judge must sign off on your CCW in NJ.I keep remembering this poor Lady .

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/1...dered-by-ex-while-waiting-for-gun-permit.html

CZ Peasy · Feb 13, 2018

So how did the police know he was carrying? Did he volunteer that info at a traffic stop?

CrazySanMan · Feb 13, 2018

Even if National Reciprocity passed I don't think I'd carry in Maryland. It seems too risky. Say what you will about Colorado gun laws, but I can carry anywhere unless it is inside a public school, a federal building, or a building that provides metal detectors and armed security personnel. Gun free zone signs don't have the weight of law. I can carry where alcohol and pot is sold. I can open carry everywhere except inside Denver city limits, so I never have to worry about printing or accidentally exposing my gun when I'm carrying. It's a no brainer to grab a gun and go here. I'd be nervous as hell carrying in Maryland.

CypherPunk · Feb 13, 2018

In NJ, there is a designated judge in each county that hears firearm permit applications.

It isn’t ever a 2A supporter.

Out of state applicants are assigned to the County at the closest point of entry, I believe.

F5guy · Feb 13, 2018

Is there a transcript of this anywhere ? I can’t make it out. Thanks in advance

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welder516 · Feb 13, 2018

I don't worry about the restrictions as of this date right now , I am always working , I will most likely inform whenever I am pulled over . I realize my process may not line up with others here on this forum , I will be damned if I walk around my life and be scared of the MSP or any other agency .

I don't live my life worried about the boogie man .

Abacab · Feb 13, 2018

welder516 said:
I don't worry about the restrictions as of this date right now , I am always working , I will most likely inform whenever I am pulled over . I realize my process may not line up with others here on this forum , I will be damned if I walk around my life and be scared of the MSP or any other agency .

I don't live my life worried about the boogie man .

The luxury of a business permit is that gives you an avenue to make an argument you were engaged in said business.

My permit is for moving certain possessions and only while engaged in "business" related to said possession. Not exactly easy to work with but it's actually slightly relaxed from the old language which referred to two specific locations I could move between while carrying.

Abacab · Feb 13, 2018

This is a good bill. It kills restrictions. Too bad it won't see the light of day.http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&stab=02&id=hb1538&tab=subject3&ys=2018RS

DC-W · Feb 13, 2018

F5guy said:
Is there a transcript of this anywhere ? I can’t make it out. Thanks in advance

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Forgive me. I’ll tweak the YouTube subtitles when time is available.

Klunatic · Feb 13, 2018

Abacab said:
This is a good bill. It kills restrictions. Too bad it won't see the light of day.http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&stab=02&id=hb1538&tab=subject3&ys=2018RS

It would definitely be a step in the right direction. Press for it on Gun bill days. Call your representative and encourage them to eliminate this jeopardy for business owners.

Schipperke · Feb 13, 2018

DC-W said:
Forgive me. I’ll tweak the YouTube subtitles when time is available.

At the farm it's been a long issue on dairy...

Don't touch it!

DC-W · Feb 16, 2018

The entire hearing is now available:

Abacab · Feb 17, 2018

DC-W said:
The entire hearing is now available:

That video is terrifying for anyone that has a restricted permit. The MSP is a total clown show.

It's always nice to see MSP get smacked down but it isn't worth being arrested to get sympathy, in my opinion. I'm not suggesting this person sought that - he obviously didn't.

Maybe it's just my BGOS speaking. I'll let the tough guys cough up $3500 and have to admit to an arrest on applications for the rest of their lives so they can show me up as hardened gun owners.

Meanwhile my permit will continue to be unused unless it's to the letter of what the back says. The brilliance of it is that it essentially restricts me to carrying around my house.

Schipperke · Feb 17, 2018

Abacab said:
That video is terrifying for anyone that has a restricted permit. The MSP is a total clown show.

It's always nice to see MSP get smacked down but it isn't worth being arrested to get sympathy, in my opinion. I'm not suggesting this person sought that - he obviously didn't.

Maybe it's just my BGOS speaking. I'll let the tough guys cough up $3500 and have to admit to an arrest on applications for the rest of their lives so they can show me up as hardened gun owners.

Meanwhile my permit will continue to be unused unless it's to the letter of what the back says. The brilliance of it is that it essentially restricts me to carrying around my house.

That is a very optimistic low ball there. I think it would be much higher, at least around my parts.

"Valid only while conducting business as owner/employee of Acme"

So during midday when out not interacting with clients pumping gas or in a shopping mall (which MSP will argue is not conducting business) an unfortunate incident actually necessitates drawing a firearm, I'm F'd. Come now oh unrestricted holder and shout BGOS. Most amusing hypocrisy, coming from those that just had to have their original restrictions modified away.. BGOS?

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