SAF SUES IN MARYLAND OVER HANDGUN PERMIT DENIAL UPDATED 3-5-12

peafarmer · Jul 2, 2012

Summary of American College of Preventive Medicine and American Public Health Association Amicus brief:

Crime was reduced in Kansas City after (illegal) handguns were confiscated in high crime areas. Therefore, preventing lawful carry of handguns will even further reduce crime.

safecracker · Jul 3, 2012

eyesinpines said:
You are really getting snarky and mean spirited now.

So how about one for eternal optimistic disciples of Dorothy & Toto. Those who believe that clicking red shoes together will always get the right result. Those that believe that even tin Judges have hearts of gold. Those that can only see the blue sky behind the thunderclouds.

Let's all skip gaily down the Yellowbrick road to Munchkinland because there's only good things there. Maybe you could start that one?

Can I have some of that shit you are smoking? :crazy:

swinokur · Jul 3, 2012

eyesinpines said:
You are really getting snarky and mean spirited now.

So how about one for eternal optimistic disciples of Dorothy & Toto. Those who believe that clicking red shoes together will always get the right result. Those that believe that even tin Judges have hearts of gold. Those that can only see the blue sky behind the thunderclouds.

Let's all skip gaily down the Yellowbrick road to Munchkinland because there's only good things there. Maybe you could start that one?

I'm not mean spirited. Call them lke I see them.Seems like I struck a nerve huh?Judges' heart composition have nothing to do with the decision. I'm not going to drive this thread off topic any more than it has been.

Gotta go feed Toto.

GBMaryland · Jul 3, 2012

peafarmer said:
Summary of American College of Preventive Medicine and American Public Health Association Amicus brief:

Crime was reduced in Kansas City after (illegal) handguns were confiscated in high crime areas. Therefore, preventing lawful carry of handguns will even further reduce crime.

So, back on track...

I'm watching the TV version of Freakanomics yesterday, and I was wondering how they'd deal with rapid decrease of crime in the early 1990s.

In the book it's pretty clear that the author(s) are NOT pro-gun. However, even they had to admit that stricter gunlaws could not account for reduction of crime in any meaningful way. (more than a few percentage points...)

When a rather liberal person admits that the data doesn't support nonsense like the above... I love it.

GB

eyesinpines · Jul 3, 2012

safecracker said:
Can I have some of that shit you are smoking?

Sure, it's called "getting back to reality". Available to all [including you], at no charge.

robertgreen79 · Jul 3, 2012

Here's an idea. We have a seperate thread specifically for updates. Anybody who is interested can subscribe to it. A mod locks the thread and only updates it when there's new news.

Pushrod · Jul 3, 2012

peafarmer said:
Summary of American College of Preventive Medicine and American Public Health Association Amicus brief:

Crime was reduced in Kansas City after (illegal) handguns were confiscated in high crime areas. Therefore, preventing lawful carry of handguns will even further reduce crime.

You're joking, correct? Was this really a brief in this case?

OLD FORD GUY · Jul 3, 2012

robertgreen79 said:
Here's an idea. We have a seperate thread specifically for updates. Anybody who is interested can subscribe to it. A mod locks the thread and only updates it when there's new news.

Good idea if updates were timely.

eyesinpines · Jul 3, 2012

robertgreen79 said:
Here's an idea. We have a seperate thread specifically for updates. Anybody who is interested can subscribe to it. A mod locks the thread and only updates it when there's new news.

Excellent...

5.7 · Jul 3, 2012

robertgreen79 said:
Here's an idea. We have a seperate thread specifically for updates. Anybody who is interested can subscribe to it. A mod locks the thread and only updates it when there's new news.

Great idea. Timely updates happen/means when something REALLY happens. In reality, there is only 1 outcome left every one is waiting for, does it "stay" or does it go.

At least there would be the one place you could go to and not have to sift through crud to find the outcome or latest rulings/news etc. PLEASE lock it to only the moderator or person running it!

jkray · Jul 3, 2012

So I just read the APHA's brief, and have a question. When Gura and Co. respond to the states brief are they allowed to also respond to the amicus briefs or are they restricted to only what the state said? There were a lot of points that can easily (and should) be refuted or at least addressed to give the whole story.

2nd=Good+Substantial · Jul 3, 2012

5.7 said:
Great idea. Timely updates happen/means when something REALLY happens. In reality, there is only 1 outcome left every one is waiting for, does it "stay" or does it go.

At least there would be the one place you could go to and not have to sift through crud to find the outcome or latest rulings/news etc. PLEASE lock it to only the moderator or person running it!

+1

Patrick · Jul 3, 2012

peafarmer said:
Summary of American College of Preventive Medicine and American Public Health Association Amicus brief:

Crime was reduced in Kansas City after (illegal) handguns were confiscated in high crime areas. Therefore, preventing lawful carry of handguns will even further reduce crime.

I know...they are grasping at straws so thin that even they have to admit in writing the logic is tortured.

It was like this at the District Court's hearing on Woollard: the state claimed that there have been cases where a permitted carrier in Texas did something bad, and the judge asked what the percentage of bad acts were in the carrier population. The state conveniently did not know, but Gura chimed in with something like, "0.015%, you honor."

It was funny.

Here's an idea. We have a seperate thread specifically for updates. Anybody who is interested can subscribe to it. A mod locks the thread and only updates it when there's new news.

There's a certain amount of signal/noise filtering everyone has to do on the internet. It's part of the experience. That said...if someone gave Krucam overlord rights in this thread, we'd all have a vastly different experience as his jack-boot starts swinging at tail-ends. :lol2:

esqappellate · Jul 3, 2012

jkray said:
So I just read the APHA's brief, and have a question. When Gura and Co. respond to the states brief are they allowed to also respond to the amicus briefs or are they restricted to only what the state said? There were a lot of points that can easily (and should) be refuted or at least addressed to give the whole story.

Gura can and will respond to both the state's brief and all the briefs of amici supporting the state. That's the idea of making amici file 7 days after the party that they support. It gives the other side a chance to read and respond to the briefs of amici and it helps amici craft their brief with full knowledge of what the party they are supporting is saying. Same thing for the amici supporting Woollard. The state files its reply brief 7 days after the briefs of amici supporting Woollard are filed (which are filed 7 days after Gura files).

robertgreen79 · Jul 3, 2012

Patrick said:
There's a certain amount of signal/noise filtering everyone has to do on the internet. It's part of the experience. That said...if someone gave Krucam overlord rights in this thread, we'd all have a vastly different experience as his jack-boot starts swinging at tail-ends.

Thats why I said a new thread should be made available.This one can continue on in infamy

Patrick · Jul 3, 2012

robertgreen79 said:
Thats why I said a new thread should be made available.This one can continue on in infamy

Go start it. I'll check in on it if it updates...

krucam · Jul 3, 2012

Patrick said:
... That said...if someone gave Krucam overlord rights in this thread, we'd all have a vastly different experience as his jack-boot starts swinging at tail-ends.

It wouldn't be pretty. I'm really a *****-cat at heart, but as mentioned, I'm a lousy counselor...

I'm sorry for getting grumpy....sorta...

Inigoes · Jul 3, 2012

krucam said:
I'm sorry for getting grumpy....sorta...

When you buy Patrick another dinner, you will feel better :lol2:

Patrick · Jul 3, 2012

Inigoes said:
When you buy Patrick another dinner, you will feel better

That recurring annual bet is gonna end up with me buying him one, one of these years.

I'll make good for the previous times, though: a Super Value meal and a choice of dessert!

In fairness, he could (and should) claim victory with Woollard... :innocent0

Streetgang · Jul 3, 2012

New thread for whining
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