I thought the rant was comical.
As far as the safety, no idea, I'm not familiar with teams or their concepts of operation.
1911s are “obsolete.”
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I thought the rant was comical.
As far as the safety, no idea, I'm not familiar with teams or their concepts of operation.
A G20 10mm with a 15rnd magazine loaded with 180gr JHP loaded to 1250fps.
That would be my personal choice.
I love me a 1911 and I'd have no problem carrying one (I'd personally carry it with 8rnd mags with the extended baseplate IMHO). As many have said, it is a wonderful handgun. For a combat handgun, there is better.
I doubt I will ever need to fire a gun in self defense in my life. If I do, I can't tell you if I will need to pull the trigger one time, or if I'll need to dump two mags at someone shooting at me from behind a car, or another room in my house or what the hell the situation could be. I'd rather have more flexibility and options.
I'd reach for my G17 before I'd reach for a 1911 as a combat/defensive handgun. That won't stop me some day once I have a larger property (and a 1911! I've shot my fair share, but don't currently own one) of sometimes carrying one around my property. But it isn't going to be my go to.
TheOriginalMexicanBob
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I've also heard for years that the .30-30 has maimed more deer than any other round...which supports your statement that popularity doesn't make it the best deer rifle. That may also be because of lack of skill on the hunter's part as much or more than the capability of the round and rifle. That lack of skill can probably transfer to other rounds and rifles as well.
TheOriginalMexicanBob
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Then why - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEU(SOC)_pistol
Why have groups that actually USE pistols (for most of the military they are last resort backups) picked the 1911?
TheOriginalMexicanBob
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A handgun is generally a poor tool to defend yourself with. But is has several virtues...it's portable...it's usually easily concealed...with training it can be very effective. But in the general scheme of things there are better tools to defend oneself with but they're generally too large...too powerful...too expensive. Carrying a SWAT team in your pocket or with you full time is a bit difficult...unless you're wealthy or a POTUS.
Everything else is a compromise on what's best for your individual needs and requirements and we all have our favorites. Only after a real life-threatening incident occurs will you (or your survivors) know whether you made the right choices. You can only stack the odds in your favor...and even then it's no guarantee you will survive. Even if you kill the bad guy and you still get shot and die...you still lost.
Everything else is a compromise on what's best for your individual needs and requirements and we all have our favorites. Only after a real life-threatening incident occurs will you (or your survivors) know whether you made the right choices. You can only stack the odds in your favor...and even then it's no guarantee you will survive. Even if you kill the bad guy and you still get shot and die...you still lost.
danb
dont be a dumbass
How many rounds does it take to kill, when they are already dead? Can they be killed more dead? Biggest problem I have with the 1911 is trying to choose which one out of the one's I have! I think we should include .45 single action revolvers as an option.
Well first you have to hit something. From what I have seen at the range, a lot of people need 18 or 19 bullets to hit the side of a barn.
Magnumite
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I am a handgun enthusiast first, long guns, second. I have tried 4 different poly pistols and several other metal framed pistols. Lots of revolvers. If confronted with combat I would feel most comfortable with a 1911, single or double stack. AND the AR-15 as the primary arm. I am not naive enough to think I'll get by with just the handgun. But I know I can do more with a 1911 than I can with the other semi auto pistols I have tried.
A properly built (not match precision) 1911 gives away nothing relative to performance to any poly gun available. My experience, better than most and the equal of the remainder in a number of ways. It was Artic, jungle, mud, and sand tested...run over, beat up, rebuilt and kept on going. My medium sized hands can reach the thumb safety on a double stack 1911 far more readily than on most of the SA/DA wonder guns. Striker fire no safety guns?? The thumb safety of the 1911 is swiped off coming up on target, a non-issue. Not only that...US military mandates the thumb safety so the training issue is null and void.
A double stack 1911 gives away nothing in relative capacity (19 +1 in 9mm caliber) and suffers only weight if in metal frame configuration.
I owned two Glocks, own one. Shoots pretty good. Lots of accessories to accurize it, give it a short sweet trigger pull, etc.. But at the end of the day, it will never be the equal of a similarly built 1911.
The 1911 has a couple flies in the ointment for anyone familiar with them and which the opposition decrees. And those 'flies in the ointment' have been successfully addressed. Except for machining costs, and the armorer maintenance required (not necessarily of the newer gen 1911's), I don't understand where any other chosen military handgun was actually any better than a true modern generation 1911.
A properly built (not match precision) 1911 gives away nothing relative to performance to any poly gun available. My experience, better than most and the equal of the remainder in a number of ways. It was Artic, jungle, mud, and sand tested...run over, beat up, rebuilt and kept on going. My medium sized hands can reach the thumb safety on a double stack 1911 far more readily than on most of the SA/DA wonder guns. Striker fire no safety guns?? The thumb safety of the 1911 is swiped off coming up on target, a non-issue. Not only that...US military mandates the thumb safety so the training issue is null and void.
A double stack 1911 gives away nothing in relative capacity (19 +1 in 9mm caliber) and suffers only weight if in metal frame configuration.
I owned two Glocks, own one. Shoots pretty good. Lots of accessories to accurize it, give it a short sweet trigger pull, etc.. But at the end of the day, it will never be the equal of a similarly built 1911.
The 1911 has a couple flies in the ointment for anyone familiar with them and which the opposition decrees. And those 'flies in the ointment' have been successfully addressed. Except for machining costs, and the armorer maintenance required (not necessarily of the newer gen 1911's), I don't understand where any other chosen military handgun was actually any better than a true modern generation 1911.
Or more.
But I was keeping with TRUE 1911s.
I've got a real love for the RIA 10mm double stack. And your points are well taken.
I would offer that if all 1911 folks were really purist, nothing but a 1911 browning 1911 would do. But we talk about their evolution over the last 108 years, so... IMHO, that has to include the double stacks
I will concede that the 1911 was John Browning's second best design...
Hard to debate that!
Obsolete doesn't equal doesn't work. A halberd is an obsolete weapon... but I sure wouldn't want one sunk in my skull. In the end, it's a preference thing. I prefer a very compact pistol. Would it be enough if I were jumped by 3 or 4 guys? I hope I never have to find out.
CombatAK
Hooligan #12
I will concede that the 1911 was John Browning's second best design...
Whole heartedly agree with you there. With that said, I still want one. I already have the best design IMHO.
Whole heartedly agree with you there. With that said, I still want one. I already have the best design IMHO.
Um... Wow.
CombatAK
Hooligan #12
Hi-Power. To me it is his best design. I know that he didn't finish it but I wanted it more than any other pistol made.
Dude, you almost had me feeling really inferior... I thought you eye talking BAR.
CombatAK
Hooligan #12
engineerbrian
JMB fan club
I will concede that the 1911 was John Browning's second best design...
JMB himself thought the Hi Power was a better design than the 1911, so i agree with the two of you and JMB
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