16 yr old girl and mother shot in home in Ellicott City this morning

Jim12 · Jan 5, 2017

The Daily Mail story gives it a dimension and humanity that the crime reporters here missed. It's a multi-family and community tragedy that leaves more questions than answers. Why did this young cat burgler carry the recently-stolen gun to a burglary? Did she grab his mask away, and in fear of being identified, panic and shoot, then realize the gravity afterwards and kill himself? Or, did he have intentions of escalating his crime spree to a new level from the outset then have a flash of remorse? None of it seems to make sense.

BigSteve57 · Jan 5, 2017

Jim12 said:
Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

It's going to get worse. I'll call out to my favorite journalist/student IDIOT poster child who demonstrated amazing journalistic acumen and critical thinking skills by falling for this scam.

Consider that this IDIOT fell for a scam where:

Scammers claimed to be from the IRS
She was told she had to pay a non-existent tax
The caller ID was from the local police station, not the IRS.
Payment had to be in gift cards

Folks, here is the future of journalism:

IRS scam costs Connecticut college student over $7,900 in gift cards:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/irs-imp...ege-students-nonexistent-federal-student-tax/

cap6888 · Jan 5, 2017

The biggest question mark is the fact that he burglarized several homes, including one with the gun. He then "burglarized" this home, WHILE ARMED with said stolen gun. This poor boy was obviously troubled and was going down the wrong path. His intent at the house is most troubling to me. If this was a straight burglary, why bring the gun?

Jim12 · Jan 5, 2017

BigSteve57 said:
It's going to get worse. I'll call out to my favorite journalist/student IDIOT poster child who demonstrated amazing journalistic acumen and critical thinking skills by falling for this scam.

Consider that this IDIOT fell for a scam where:

Scammers claimed to be from the IRS

She was told she had to pay a non-existent tax

The caller ID was from the local police station, not the IRS.

Payment had to be in gift cards

Folks, here is the future of journalism:

IRS scam costs Connecticut college student over $7,900 in gift cards:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/irs-imp...ege-students-nonexistent-federal-student-tax/

That qualifies her to be an -0- White House correspondent for the WaPo. She probably put that on her resume under "experience."

zoostation · Jan 5, 2017

My experience has been there are few people more dangerous than a young teen criminal who is armed. They are stupid and have far less compunctions about using it than even a young adult.

BigSteve57 · Jan 5, 2017

zoostation said:
My experience has been there are few people more dangerous than a young teen criminal who is armed. They are stupid and have far less compunctions about using it than even a young adult.

Agree. They're also clueless as to consequences and the implications of flushing their life down the drain.

Which is why the wife and I freaked out a bit after we had that incident with the kid running through our yard last summer. We come to find out the kid was running from the cops because he was supposedly drugged up and had just pulled a knife on his parents.

ShafTed · Jan 5, 2017

Some people here seem to be overthinking or looking for something that just isn't there. Most likely is just a burglary gone wrong.

Boy gets away with a couple of burglaries, finds he has a taste for it, and wants more. He got himself a gun in one of them and, being a dumb 15 YO kid, thinks the gun makes him feel "bigger" so why not bring it along on his next caper. Plus he wears a mask because that's how they always do it on TV. Maybe he saw a car leaving and the house dark, or serendipitously entered the empty house while everyone was away. He probably didn't even know whose house it was. The family comes back unexpectedly and he's trapped inside so he picks a random room in which to hide. (Remember, he's a dumb 15 YO.) Girl enters her bedroom, unexpectedly finds someone in there and makes enough noise to attract mom's attention. Mom enters room and tragedy ensues, x3.

Doesn't seem all that complicated to me.

eruby · Jan 5, 2017

ShafTed said:
Some people here seem to be overthinking or looking for something that just isn't there. Most likely is just a burglary gone wrong.

Boy gets away with a couple of burglaries, finds he has a taste for it, and wants more. He got himself a gun in one of them and, being a dumb 15 YO kid, thinks the gun makes him feel "bigger" so why not bring it along on his next caper. Plus he wears a mask because that's how they always do it on TV. Maybe he saw a car leaving and the house dark, or serendipitously entered the empty house while everyone was away. He probably didn't even know whose house it was. The family comes back unexpectedly and he's trapped inside so he picks a random room in which to hide. (Remember, he's a dumb 15 YO.) Girl enters her bedroom, unexpectedly finds someone in there and makes enough noise to attract mom's attention. Mom enters room and tragedy ensues, x3.

Doesn't seem all that complicated to me.

Henceforth on MDS, you will also be known as William of Occam.

Biggfoot44 · Jan 6, 2017

From the timing, it makes more complicated scenarios unlikely. At most IF je knew who owned the house only to the extant of potentially having good loot to steal, pickup ShafTed's story at the point of family returning while he's planned to have more time to burgle.

ToolAA · Jan 7, 2017

My wife is at the viewing and funeral now. She told me they were expecting more than 500 people to pay their respects to Charolette. Keep the prayers coming for the Zaremba's they are going to need all the love and support they can get.

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smokey · Jan 7, 2017

ToolAA said:
My wife is at the viewing and funeral now. She told me they were expecting more than 500 people to pay their respects to Charolette. Keep the prayers coming for the Zaremba's they are going to need all the love and support they can get.

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It was incredible to see the number of people that showed up today, but it was a large kick in the chest. One of my best former students(Charlotte's best friend) gave a very good speech. That student basically lived in the PE office with us at school and regularly comes back to help out. She even watches my old coworkers kids from time to time. I'm pretty sure she's going to be president some day, as she has more strength, grace, and intelligence than almost anyone else I know.

Anyway, after 30 seconds or so to gain composure, she delivered a speech that had the whole room laughing and crying simultaneously. It was nice to see some former students all grown up and I was proud to see how far along they've come, but it was a rough day.

I do wish I knew when Sean's service was.... not so much for him(although his actions were tragic), but for his family and especially his little brother. There's lots of people that got hurt from this and a few very vulnerable people out there that need support.

Moon · Jan 27, 2017

Police were unable to find any relationship between the victim and the murdering POS.

http://www.wbal.com/article/216803/...between-teens-in-ellicott-city-murder-suicide

The did find a number of stolen items, including family photos, keys, jewelry, and womens' underwear. Thief and pervert.

And they found two accomplices. Hopefully they can throw the book at them.

traveller · Jan 27, 2017

Snapchat, whatsapp and other IP based messengers wouldn"t necessarily show up in a search of cell records. I guess he was just working on adding to his panty collection and it was coincidence that he came upon a schoolmate.

redeemed.man · Jan 27, 2017

zoostation said:
My experience has been there are few people more dangerous than a young teen criminal who is armed. They are stupid and have far less compunctions about using it than even a young adult.

Agreed. My last assignment as a Corrections Officer was working in a youthful offender program. These were kids as young as 15 charged with violent rapes, assaults, kidnappings, etc.. All were charged as adults. They were by far the most irrational and easily triggered individuals in the jail. One kid was 15 years old and shot his own father 8 times. No doubt he would have done the same to anyone else who crossed him. There were many others just like him.

Mightydog · Jan 27, 2017

boundlessdyad said:
Agreed. My last assignment as a Corrections Officer was working in a youthful offender program. These were kids as young as 15 charged with violent rapes, assaults, kidnappings, etc.. All were charged as adults. They were by far the most irrational and easily triggered individuals in the jail. One kid was 15 years old and shot his own father 8 times. No doubt he would have done the same to anyone else who crossed him. There were many others just like him.

Should just put them down!! Chances of being "rehabilitated"?

fidelity · Feb 1, 2017

There are a lot of updates in the Post story below. The shooter had asked the young girl out for homecoming in the last year, but she told him that she wanted to go with friends - thus, there was a past connection.

In addition, the shooting started after the mother pulled away her daughter who was grappling with the intruder.

After shooting both mother (in the leg - his first shot - while the daughter was still grabbing the gun) and daughter (in the chest - his second shot), the shooter didn't do anything as the mother was attempting CPR on the daughter. At some point when the mother (and possibly the father) were still trying to revive their daughter, the shooter took his life.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...bf6fee-e3f4-11e6-a453-19ec4b3d09ba_story.html

traveller · Feb 1, 2017

It starts to make more sense that way.

ToolAA · Feb 1, 2017

Still a terrible tragedy. I am envisioning a young girl struggling to save her mom who had just been shot then the mom working to save her daughter after being shot. I can see how the boy faced with the reality if the situation would find it easier to take his own life over living with the guilt of what he had just done. I still have a lot of personal questions about how I or my family would have responded to such a situation. I keep thinking a better security system is the first line of defense. I just dont know how I would approach a struggle in a bedroom in the middle if the night with a gun in my hand. I'm not trained or prepared for that kind of situation for sure.

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