Inertia versus Mechanical Triggers for O/U

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    hooligan82

    hooligan82

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    A few of us were talking at lunch and something came up in discussion. Apparently there is a video on some social media platform claiming a break barrel shotgun is rendered inoperable without the forend attached. Is this true? I’m specifically talking about the front wood handle, but also curious about a gun broken into two parts. I’m also assuming that only one firing pin would be cocked by opening and closing the action on an inertia trigger gun without any additional effort.

    The comment that someone has been firing a disassemble gun for 25 years made me wonder if newer guns have something in their design that disables a feature that older guns have.

    I’m in the mindset that a spring at rest causes no wear. I’m also curious to see if there are any other parts associated with the resting spring that could wear or rust from sitting in the same oil for an extended period of time.


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    PJDiesel said:
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    It’ll shoot without the barrels or forearm on if you let the sliding hood go forward. You do that by depressing the piece that comes up through the receiver right in from of the hood on the right side. If you are going to release the triggers on a K80 you want to hold a rag on the front of the receiver pressing down on the two pieces that go into the forearm. Here’s a picture below that shows what I’m trying to say.
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    Ah, I guess than makes sense with the locking cap.

    I rarely disassemble mine (at all). It's a 2014 and had an annual about 10k rounds ago, still nice and tight with good space and lever way right.
     
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    hooligan82 said:
    Question for inquiring minds. Do all break action shotguns have the same safety related functioning parts?


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    Nope....

    Some reset to S after every break, others don't. Mine is actually locked out, couldn't put it on if you wanted to.
     
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    hooligan82 said:
    I hate the automatic safety with a passion


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    I could make a case they are possibly MORE dangerous, causes people to fumble and mess with them.

    When I handle my gun (my sporting gun) it's like an extension of my arm, make essentially the same movements each time I mount.
     
    hooligan82

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    PJDiesel said:
    I could make a case they are possibly MORE dangerous, causes people to fumble and mess with them.

    When I handle my gun (my sporting gun) it's like an extension of my arm, make essentially the same movements each time I mount.
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    I can see no value in them. Either you are educated in firearms safety or you aren’t.
     
    John from MD

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    Many break open shotguns (OU and SXS) are disabled when you remove the fore end. Some, if they are cocked before removing the fore end, can be loaded and fired once. Some will uncock when you remove the fore end.

    Auto safeties can be removed easily on many shotguns. Some can be easily made operable again, others require more work.
     
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    hooligan82 said:
    A few of us were talking at lunch and something came up in discussion. Apparently there is a video on some social media platform claiming a break barrel shotgun is rendered inoperable without the forend attached. Is this true? I’m specifically talking about the front wood handle, but also curious about a gun broken into two parts. I’m also assuming that only one firing pin would be cocked by opening and closing the action on an inertia trigger gun without any additional effort.
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    All the break open guns that I know of will fire without the forearm or barrel on it as long as the top latch is put in the firing position as if the action was closed. I don’t want to say all because I don’t have experience with all of them. Most break open guns are cocked by opening the action. And for the gun to be re-cocked after firing the forearm would need to be on. The ejectors are also reset by opening the action. Assuming the gun has ejectors and not extractors.

    To answer the other question. Regardless of whether it’s an inertia or mechanical trigger only the barrel that has been shot will be re-cocked when the barrel is opened. The other barrel is already cocked. If both barrels were fired then both barrels would be re-cocked. On my Beretta it takes less force to open my gun after shooting a single than a double because I’m only compressing one spring and not two.
     
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    hooligan82 said:
    The comment that someone has been firing a disassemble gun for 25 years made me wonder if newer guns have something in their design that disables a feature that older guns have.
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    I think you’re referring to me. I’ve been releasing the hammers on my Beretta 682 for 25+ years with the barrel and forearm off. I don’t know of any difference between new guns and older guns. On all the guns I’m familiar with the firing mechanism is in the butt of the gun. The parts in the forearm keep the forearm attached to the barrel/gun and assist with cocking the gun and resetting the ejectors.
     
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    hooligan82 said:
    I hate the automatic safety with a passion


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    I hate them too. There’s no need for a safety on a target shotgun. The gun is only loaded and closed when you’re ready to shoot. In competition if you leave a safety on and call pull the target is lost. It’s the shooters responsibility to know the gun will fire. In Skeet the referee will usually will say something like Please check your safety and barrel selectors at the beginning of an event. You can also request to shoot two test fire shells down range, not at targets, and from station one.
     
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