SAF SUES IN MARYLAND OVER HANDGUN PERMIT DENIAL UPDATED 3-5-12

3rdRcn · Jul 30, 2010

Nice goin guys, keep up the great work!!

Gray Peterson · Jul 30, 2010

clandestine said:
A non restricted MD Permit would give you the state of Michigan added to reciprocity if you already have a FL and UT permit.

With a MD, UT, and FL permit you could carry in the following (34 States):

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wyoming

To maximize Permits then you would need to get these permits as well (4 States):

Nevada
New Hampshire
Connecticut
Maine

You could still NOT carry in the following States/Districts/Territories:

California, Colorado , Hawaii, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Guam, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, District of Columbia, Illinois, Wisconsin, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

I'm working on getting Colorado moved into Class number 2 at the moment, and I working to try to get Oregon and California on the same boat after my Colorado case is completed. The US pacific territories are going to need some work, and some inside help since I don't live anywhere near there.

Abacab · Jul 30, 2010

Gray Peterson said:
I'm working on getting Colorado moved into Class number 2 at the moment, and I working to try to get Oregon and California on the same boat after my Colorado case is completed. The US pacific territories are going to need some work, and some inside help since I don't live anywhere near there.

Oregon should be the easiest. They already issue non-resident permits to surrounding states.

Minuteman · Jul 30, 2010

The Examiner.com has just run the article. The site is down for maintenance at this moment, but if they allow comments, this might be a good place for some of us to voice some common sense, pro-gun, support for the 2nd Amendment.

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News 1 new result for Maryland gun permit shall issue

BREAKING NEWS! SAF's new Maryland lawsuit shows why 'shall issue ...
Examiner.com
He appealed to the Maryland Handgun Permit Review Board, ... authority shall have up to sixty days after the filing of the application to issue a license. ...

Gray Peterson · Jul 30, 2010

HoCoShooter said:
Just curious, why O'Malley isn't named? Isn't he in charge of the MSP both on and off paper?

No, the Superintendent is in charge of MSP. If they were suing to strike down the actual criminal prohibition against carry, O'Malley would be the appropriate defendant. No reason to drag in O'Malley into the situation. Gansler is likely going to defend the MSP anyway, so no reason to sue him. Sheridan and the Maryland Handgun Permit Review Board are sufficient defendants. If the judge orders the defendants to consider "good and substantial reason" to be "self defense", there's nothing anyone above the Superintendent that can order them to do so. In fact, firing them to refusing to disobey the federal judges order would be considered retaliatory and would push it to a criminal act rather than just a civil violation.

tkmiralles · Jul 30, 2010

Send SAF a check!

SAF will be getting another check from me today!

swinokur · Jul 30, 2010

tkmiralles said:
SAF will be getting another check from me today!

They also accept Paypal.

tkmiralles · Jul 30, 2010

Day of Reckoning!

It will be so enjoyable to watch the know-it-all General Assembly and that idiot O'Malloy have to bow to the Federal Courts. I may reconsider staying in Maryland long term.

gamer_jim · Jul 30, 2010

Gray Peterson said:
I'm working on getting Colorado moved into Class number 2 at the moment, and I working to try to get Oregon and California on the same boat after my Colorado case is completed. The US pacific territories are going to need some work, and some inside help since I don't live anywhere near there.

I think PA will give you a non-resident permit if you already have one in your own state, at least for MD residents. Or maybe this is how it used to be. They have have changed this in the past year.

ME is super easy too. My MD safety video qualified as the training requirement. And I think I read that NH will give you non-resident if you have one from another state as well.

HoCoShooter · Jul 30, 2010

Gray Peterson said:
No, the Superintendent is in charge of MSP. If they were suing to strike down the actual criminal prohibition against carry, O'Malley would be the appropriate defendant. No reason to drag in O'Malley into the situation. Gansler is likely going to defend the MSP anyway, so no reason to sue him. Sheridan and the Maryland Handgun Permit Review Board are sufficient defendants. If the judge orders the defendants to consider "good and substantial reason" to be "self defense", there's nothing anyone above the Superintendent that can order them to do so. In fact, firing them to refusing to disobey the federal judges order would be considered retaliatory and would push it to a criminal act rather than just a civil violation.

ah, got it - thanks.

kronusthebonus · Jul 30, 2010

Anybody know the timeline for the lawsuit ? Is this going to get dragged out for eternity ?

gamer_jim · Jul 30, 2010

rambling_one said:
Here's the suit as filed.

Under the "Statement of Facts" section:

11. The Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms applies as against the states by operation of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Thank you McDonald!

ozwyn · Jul 30, 2010

Well, count me in as another new SAF life member. As national gun rights organizations go, the SAF and Gura have the best track record for actual progress anyway.

Plenty of organizatiosn take credit and argue with each other, but the SAF keeps winning and filing court cases that count.

Spot77 · Jul 30, 2010

kronusthebonus said:
Anybody know the timeline for the lawsuit ? Is this going to get dragged out for eternity ?

It's going to feel like eternity......when we win

, you can rest assured that there will be appeals.

Going through the court system is a lot like playing tennis.

hole punch · Jul 30, 2010

Well, I was about to buy another C&R toy, but I just became an SAF life member instead.

MSI will be next. Thank you Gura, Hansel, SAF, MSI, Spot, Norton, and everyone here at mdshooters. :mdpatriot

It's time to get down to business... :thumbsup:

Dead Eye · Jul 30, 2010

Any thoughts for those of us who are already in process for a CCW?

Boondock Saint · Jul 30, 2010

Spot77;731928Going through the court system is a lot like playing tennis.[/QUOTE said:
Lots of attractive women grunting as they whack a bunch of balls back and forth?

Hyper-W · Jul 30, 2010

Boondock Saint said:
Lots of attractive women grunting as they whack a bunch of balls back and forth?

you win this thread

JMintzer · Jul 30, 2010

Boondock Saint said:
Lots of attractive women grunting as they whack a bunch of balls back and forth?

andyman · Jul 30, 2010

Spot, Norton, DD, MSI exec members, Mr Gura, Mr Hansel, SAF leaders and supporters you gentlemen are truly patriots and heroes in the tradition of the patriots who founded and fought for this country from it's inception. Willing to put personal agendas aside for the greater good and willing to face overwhelming opposition with resolve. As a marginally involved benefactor of your tireless efforts I want to humbly thank you for taking on this endeavor when so many of us were too intimidated and meek to take up the fight. Many of us are currently unable to significantly assist in this fight financially due to various circumstances. Please realize this does not reflect our heartfelt gratitude or support for this effort. If there are non-financial ways that people who are willing could assist please be open in asking. I am sure that the time and emotional capital for you gentlemen has already amassed quite a debt for us to attempt to cover. Now that this is out and public please share the burden where possible. Sorry if this is too "touchy-feely" but this has really caught me off guard. Not to diminish your efforts to date but this has always seemed like a pipe dream. I think somewhere in my subconscious I didn't believe that we would ever rate national attention. Thank you again for your efforts to date and the huge task ahead.

andy

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