Confiscated MPD Guns Walk

An internal memo from the D.C. Department of Forensic Sciences (DFS) reveals 24 guns police confiscated between 2005 and 2012 vanished from the MPD evidence locker and were later confiscated yet again in other crimes. One of the weapons reappeared in a murder, while several others were used to commit violent crimes

The issue with missing guns rose to the surface after a reporter requested information regarding the firearms recovered during homicides that occurred in 2014.

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BeoBill said:

Two Dozen Guns Somehow Walked Out Of A DC Police Evidence Locker, Half To Be Used In Other Crimes
http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/19/t...dence-locker-half-to-be-used-in-other-crimes/


WOW!

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mpdc4511 said:

This sounds like poor records keeping rather then mishandling of property. The SPO guns are often stolen in batches of 15-30 and it is not uncommon for them to get them back after a case is over. Hence why the 3 cases in the article all involve Taurus revolvers or security guards guns.

The article also fails to mention that since 2005 DC has changed its storage locations for firearms 3 times, changed the way we process firearms twice, and the firearms law has changed 3 times since I have been there.

DC has gone through some serious firearm related changes and actually I don't think this number is really that egregious. With millions of items of property ranging from machine guns, to wallets, to cash, to IDs, clothing, data, jewelry and so on......something is bound to go missing by human error.

Hell half you folks lose a sock everytime you do laundry!!

For the record I'm not sticking up for them because it's my department.......trust me I'm the first to call out sloppy lack of police work.........I'm sticking up for them because I understand that EVERYONE makes mistakes.

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mpdc4511 said:

and the firearms law has changed 3 times since I have been there.

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rascal said:

Look I don't blame the beleaguered MPD officers but I am at a loss as to how the changes in DC firearms law, which I am very family with as I have registered guns in DC since 2009, and helped friends do as well, has anything to do with it?

How does whether I have to take an eye test., state the reason why I want a gun, have 40 cal ammo if I only have a 9 mm registered, take live fire instead of virtual training, (example o f changes) etc etc has to do with how DC keeps track of guns sized in crimes and keeps them from being stolen from evidence lockers?

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mpdc4511 said:

With my above post it's not to say that some haven't been lost or hell even stolen. I mean when the guns or any property go to court the officer has to carry it around all day. They are then ordered by a judge to give it over to some people the cops have never met before. Now technically although the regular attorney, defense attorney, Marshal, and Jury all have access to the evidence and it's no longer in my possession I'm responsible for it even though I'm legally not even allowed in the court room at that time and can't even keep eyes on the property I am responsible for.

Consider photos and interrogations. I bet we literally have 5 million CDs with crime scene photos and interrogations.......you think 10 of those don't get lost a year? It's the nature of the beast. As someone who has personally moved MPDCs gun storage, I can tell you it was a daunting task.

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mpdc4511 said:

My point being that EVERYTHING firearms related, from laws, to handling, to recovery procedures, to storage locations has changed multiple times since 2005 and I think I conveyed that pretty well.

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Devil Dog said:

That's most impressive MPD! Keep up the good work!

Between police departments "losing" guns that are later used in crimes and public schools inviting pedophiles to play with the kids I'm starting to think our local jurisdictions are f'd up even worse than we thought.

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mpdc4511 said:

This sounds like poor records keeping rather then mishandling of property. The SPO guns are often stolen in batches of 15-30 and it is not uncommon for them to get them back after a case is over. Hence why the 3 cases in the article all involve Taurus revolvers or security guards guns.

The article also fails to mention that since 2005 DC has changed its storage locations for firearms 3 times, changed the way we process firearms twice, and the firearms law has changed 3 times since I have been there.

DC has gone through some serious firearm related changes and actually I don't think this number is really that egregious. With millions of items of property ranging from machine guns, to wallets, to cash, to IDs, clothing, data, jewelry and so on......something is bound to go missing by human error.

Hell half you folks lose a sock everytime you do laundry!!

For the record I'm not sticking up for them because it's my department.......trust me I'm the first to call out sloppy lack of police work.........I'm sticking up for them because I understand that EVERYONE makes mistakes.

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rascal said:

I am sorry but you had specifically mentioned the laws. None of reduction of second amendment violating laws, ie in impediments to citizens' gun ownership resulting from the lawsuits ,could be blamed for this whatsoever.

Why don't you state a specific occurred case, or even an hypothetical cases as to how on earth the reductions in impediments did or could contribute to any loss under police custody or recycles of police lost guns into crime guns.

The only thing the DC gun laws do regarding theft of guns by bad guys, as constructed in 2008 and as still constructed, is increase risk of theft by bad guys.

This because a married couple, both of whom can complete all requirements, background checks, competence training who wish to keep one firearm at home, are uniquely in DC forced to keep two there, doubling the potential loss to criminal elements should their house b burglarized.

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babalou said:

mpdc4511, not trying to get you in trouble or say you to anything that could, but do you think some of the people in charge snag them and resell them on the black market for cash? I am being serious, not joking like my last post...

Thanks.

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Schipperke said:

Well, it is DC. My friends car had the same Tag number on another car there. As that got sorted out years after the fact, the employee fixing it told him "it does happen"

Wow...

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