First ATF ruling of 2015

fabsroman · Jan 14, 2015

Shoobedoo said:
I wonder if this ruling can or will be applied retroactively..?? ie. anyone who purchased an 80% lower then finished it using rented or borrowed equipment prior to this ruling becoming law.

It depends if this is an interpretation of a pre-existing law, or if this is a new rule. If it is new, then it cannot be applied retroactively because of ex post facto. If the act was legal when it was committed, it cannot be made illegal after the fact.

EL1227 · Jan 18, 2015

randyho said:
Why do I think someone was looking at the Ghost Gunner video when they wrote this?

You mean THIS one ?

offroaD · Jan 19, 2015

Out of curiosity, what prevents me from giving Joe Smith 20 bucks, getting a bill of sale, using his stuff to build the weapon, then selling it back with a bill of sale?

awptickes · Jan 19, 2015

offroaD said:
Out of curiosity, what prevents me from giving Joe Smith 20 bucks, getting a bill of sale, using his stuff to build the weapon, then selling it back with a bill of sale?

excise tax

Markp · Feb 15, 2015

j_h_smith said:
I don't think you can do real milling with this unit. It doesn't look like it could handle a blank of aluminum, nor have the power to mill that blank into a lower. Just my opinion.

Jim Smith

iH8DemLibz said:
Fine for mild woodworking, lettering, engraving, etc...

Worthless as a milling machine for metal.

I would not say worthless, just extremely time consuming, I am willing to bet that you could do it with a bit of effort made to increase the rigidity and by making more passes... after all, if I could do it on this piece of crap, then I am sure that you could do it with a dremel tool if you had sufficient patience.

pro1742 · Feb 16, 2015

I guess its time to finally go out and buy the Tormach PCNC 1100 CNC machine.

Sting · Feb 17, 2015

OMG, I lent my neighbor a screwdriver. I got to go over and see that he is not building an AR with it. Does ATF provide a release form I could ask him to sign?

Devil Dog · Feb 27, 2015

fabsroman said:
It mentions "business" a lot in it. So, I am guessing the casual individual that lends tools to a buddy for the buddy to complete an AR build is not in violation of this ruling unless the buddy charges rent.

I bet this ruling is the result of people that had CnC machines set up for people to "rent" them. The renter would merely press a button and then next thing you know, they have a milled lower that they made. Hence, no serial numbers or transfer issues.

I agree. This is what they are addressing, albeit in a broad-brush manner.

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