clandestine
AR-15 Savant
This week I had 2 guys message me with problems with this brand of barrel.
Failures to chamber live ammo and failures to close on a .223 GO.
Failures to chamber live ammo and failures to close on a .223 GO.
Colt does not use a NO GO for manufacturing, they use a 5.56 GO which is different than a .223 GO. There are 12 HS Gauges made for .223 and 5.56.
His Barrel or Bolt caused short headspace and it's not an performance enhancement.
Since you know so much about the AR, perhaps you can share a photo of your workspace and your credentials.
I'll share mine:
Professional Gunsmith for Scott's Gunsmithing 13 years
Technical AR15' Instructor for School of the American Rifle 3 years.
BTW, the tools, gauges, and jigs are completely AR specific.
Those that say DEX ARMS was blowing smoke or that they never heard anything like they explained, or it's confusing....more then likely have never been in the industry to know what they are talking about. For most of us there are three headspace gauges: No Go, GO, Field. Well there are more especially for AR manufacturers. One is an assembly headspace gauge or manufacturers headspace gauge and is used during assembling the rifle. It could be considered a minimum Go gauges. DEX ARMS told you the truth. They are assembled a "little tight" and after a few rounds the parts wear in and are well within the GO limits. Colt also have a gauge that they use if the bolt on an AR 15 closes on a NO GO gauge and it use is to show if the rifle is safe and still serviceable.
The internet forums are one of the worse places for correct information unless one of the manufacturers happens to be a member on such forum. The best place to go to is the manufacturer first or and real top rated professional gunsmith with expertise in the particular firearm you are having problems with.
Sorry to be so hard on some of you guys, but this thread was just so interesting and funny to read.
I knew that this would raise hairs. The meaning about Colt's Go or No or whatever MEANT Colt uses gauges and one gauge they use for the service rifles to get more use out of them most gunsmiths wouldn't use.
Nope not trolling. I would like to ask you question though. How many ten thousandths tight do you think his chamber is? If you sized a case and cammed over the press real hard do you think that empty would have chambered?
Maybe confusing to you, but if you want a reason to dwell on I'd have to pick where D Arms said they chamber them tight and they loosen up right away. You know that if the back of the bolt lugs having a finish on them and then after so so many rounds they are shiny showing where they wore in.....that wear in...how many hundred thousandths difference was there?
Well damn it. I had a nice post all typed up and accidentally closed out the browser....so I'm not going to retype, I'm just going to say I don't play that credential game as there are many ignoramuses outs there that when you give it to them it means nothing to them along with any college education you have because they know better. I know and worked with many well name people in the industry. I'm just telling you that there AR manufacturers that use a "certain kind" of headspace gauge in ASSEMBLING their AR's. So we'll just have to agree to disagree if you're not liking that one.
. Take some time and learn from him. You might see things differently.
Well said DaemonAssisin.
Second that
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Wurd.
And this will not end well.
Raise hairs? You are jumping in water with one link of chain more than you can swim with.
I really don't know what to say on this one, because as a reloader, I have know exactly what SAAMI specs are...
The wear is not something you want to focus on with your argument...
And just stop. Insinuating that clandestine's creds are worthless is a serious slap in the face, not only to him, but to all of us that he has taken the time to inspect/work on our personal firearms.
Just because you "know and worked with many well name people in the industry" doesn't mean anything to further your argument. It is like saying that I know people that work in the computer field that are well known and respected, but when questions on the companies they work for or verifiable information, I keep spouting vague information, without actually answering the questions posed to me.
clandestine is a guy that knows his stuff, shares the knowledge, and is one heck of a good instructor. He has fixed many firearms, without actually seeing them, based off of what somebody has posted. I have attended his classes and I have more knowledge than I know what to do with.
Chill out hoss and get the lay of the land. Don't call somebody out the way you did that lives and breathes firearms and has more experience than a lot of people on the forum. Take some time and learn from him. You might see things differently.
Yeah good advice. I certainly jumped in the wrong way. I also never meant any of it to insinuate that I was insulting clandestine. The man certainly knows a lot more then all of the amateur plug and play build your own AR guys that abound everywhere. More then likely he and I would hit it just fine in person and I hope that I can start anew with him. How about it clandestine?
So with that said I apologize to all I have offended.
Yeah good advice. I certainly jumped in the wrong way. I also never meant any of it to insinuate that I was insulting clandestine. The man certainly knows a lot more then all of the amateur plug and play build your own AR guys that abound everywhere. More then likely he and I would hit it just fine in person and I hope that I can start anew with him. How about it clandestine?
So with that said I apologize to all I have offended.
Yer gonna hafta wait til July 4th fer the drink. It should be juuuust about ready by then.
Look guy, it happens eventually to everybody. Lord knows I stepped wrong on here back in the day. I paid the price and since then, I have become an established member of the community, like many others on here, including clandestine. It takes work to get to that point. I thought I was hot shit and knew a lot back then, and looking back 4 years ago, I realize I didn't know as much as I thought I did. To make matters worse, I pissed off clandestine in a big way back then, but I made my apology, we moved on, and I am honored to say he is a good friend of mine after that incident occurred. A lot of people jump on the offender when it comes to clandestine, because of who he is as a person and everything he has done for people. The man has a lot of friends in a lot of random places, because of who he is and what he has done. He also has a lot of respect from the membership.
The takeaway is that there are a lot of wannabes in the firearms world, and there are those that know their stuff. The problem is trying to figure out the chaff from the wheat and that comes from talking to them and questioning them as to why something is the case. Clandestine is one of the few that I have seen that makes it apparent that he knows his stuff, without having to bring up his creds.
As for the bolded part in your post:
On MDS, you may wish to be careful throwing that around. A lot of the people that build AR's on here or offer to help others were taught how to do it properly by clandestine. He taught me everything I know about the AR and I still learn more from him every day he posts on MDS. I'm not kissing his a$$ or trying to suck up because I need free help, I'm speaking the truth. He is an incredible resource and I'm happy that he is here and all I ever have to do is ask him a question, knowing I'll get the right answer to fix or improve something that I own. Just don't as him to help you with a Hi-Point or a 40 cal.
In time you will run into him out on the street or if you take a SOTAR class. I'm not trying to promote his business, but if you think you know the AR, take his classes and you will see that you might know less than you realized.
I can't speak for him accepting your apology, but he did forgive me for my actions when I apologized. You'll have an answer from him one way or another.
BTW, where are you located?
Yeah good advice. I certainly jumped in the wrong way. I also never meant any of it to insinuate that I was insulting clandestine. The man certainly knows a lot more then all of the amateur plug and play build your own AR guys that abound everywhere. More then likely he and I would hit it just fine in person and I hope that I can start anew with him. How about it clandestine?
So with that said I apologize to all I have offended.
Apology accepted. Hope you make yourself at home here on MDS.
Chad
A gentleman and a scholar, you are.
BTW, I know a place that is doing a clearance on Miltec-1. You want me to grab you a few 55 gallon drums?