State Police comments in the Sun

Straight from the horse's mouth via a delegate

The short answer is the state has a few more motions to go with the judge. The constituent's questions cannot be answered until the judge clarifies his order and provides additional guidance. We hope to have more answers in the next few weeks.
Tom

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fightinbluhen51 said:

Nice avatar.

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Thanks I love it. it was made by Glaug-Eldare http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=67140

Typical spokesperson double speak. They speak and no one knows what the hell they said.

Keep in mind; if it can be proven that 1 permit was approved for self defense (for a law maker or something) the state will serve up another golden goose lawsuit.

I'm starting to worry a little bit.

As some of you know, my wife and I (business owners) submitted our applications on Friday, March 2nd. This was just a few days before the floodgates opened.

Now I'm worried that our applications will get buried in all the others that could very well be "put on hold" before they are even looked at.

So... do you think my concerns are well founded, or am I just being paranoid.

Is there something that I should do at this time other than just keeping my fingers crossed?

No one knows. It's a conjecture right now.

Safetech, you have my sympathy. Ditto for those up for renewal. Its going to be weird for a few weeks.

I suspect they are being flooded with applications right now. I would expect your app to get reviewed, but the approval process will take significantly longer.

Safetech since your request is for business purposes it may have just made it.

Remember when your kid asked "but why" everytime you asked a question? Seems like they are using the same logic.

They are also using the I don't understand, did you want me to clean all of my room or just the part you pointed at? You never said how long I had to get it done or when I had to start doing it either.


IGNORANCE of the ruling isn't grounds for not following it. Isn't that what they tell us about age old laws? Why should they get to apply the double standard? If a Judge told you that you couldn't go on a certain property, you have no excuse if you are caught on that property! Trying to claim that you didn't realize the property extended out to where you were standing ain't gonna fly very far.

Keep in mind; if they are serious, and they approve one Legislators permit or renewal, they are opening themselves up to a HUGE lawsuit.

I'll be watching is thread and see how MSP will be handling the situation.

I'm glad they remember that they don't make the laws but enforce them

mrjam2jab said:

Funny how the AG says to direct all question to SP...and SP says they are waiting on direction from AG.


I read the quote as .... If you qualify on everything else and it comes down to G&S, they are going to shelve it. It you are disqualified based on something other than G&S, they will deny.

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Also the way I read it, unfortunately. Stalling tactics, as you would expect from Marylandistan.

And for what its worth...

I applied back in Aug2011, got "disapproved" in November2011. No G&S good enuf.....

On March 5, day of Legg's Decision going Public, , I sent a letter to MSP, asking if they could pull up my app and reconsider..Fat chance I thought, and I was right..more over, MSP said I would have to re-App with all the stuff necessary..yada, yada, yada....

But the interesting thing was, I got their reply today........just 4 days after mailing my question to them. Amazing, I figure...but somebody is working the mail up there.....

R

Reasonable precaution against apprehended danger

RE: COMAR 29.03.02.04

While sub paragraph G has been set aside is there any remedy for sub paragraph O apprehended danger standard? Top of page 2 Item 6. Personal Protection requires documented evidence of recent threats, robberies, and/or assaults, supported by official police reports or notarized statements from witnesses.


COMAR cite below:
29.03.02.04 Criteria for Issuance of Permit.
In making a determination as to whether a permit will be issued to the applicant, the following areas will be a part of every investigation and will be considered in determining whether a permit will be issued:

A. Verification of the information supplied by the applicant in the application;

B. Occupation or profession of the applicant;

C. Geographical area of residence and employment of the applicant;

D. Criminal record of applicant, including any juvenile record for an applicant younger than 30 years old, as specifically outlined in Public Safety Article, §5-306(b), Annotated Code of Maryland;

E. Medical history of applicant as it may pertain to the applicant's fitness to wear, carry, or transport a handgun;

F. Psychiatric or psychological background of applicant as it may pertain to the applicant's fitness to wear, carry, or transport a handgun;

G. Reasons given by the applicant as to whether those reasons are good and substantial;

H. Age of applicant;

I. Applicant's use of intoxicating beverages and drugs;

J. Information received from personal references and other persons interviewed;

K. Information received from business or employment references as may be necessary in the discretion of the investigator;

L. Whether the applicant has any alternative available to him for protection other than a handgun permit;

M. Whether the applicant falls within those classes of individuals who do not need permits as outlined in the Handgun Permit Law;

N. The applicant's propensity for violence or instability which could reasonably render his wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun a danger to himself or other persons he may come in contact with;

O. Whether the permit is necessary as a reasonable precaution for the applicant against apprehended danger.

w2kbr said:

And for what its worth...

I applied back in Aug2011, got "disapproved" in November2011. No G&S good enuf.....

On March 5, day of Legg's Decision going Public, , I sent a letter to MSP, asking if they could pull up my app and reconsider..Fat chance I thought, and I was right..more over, MSP said I would have to re-App with all the stuff necessary..yada, yada, yada....

But the interesting thing was, I got their reply today........just 4 days after mailing my question to them. Amazing, I figure...but somebody is working the mail up there.....

R

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Looks like renewals are the exact same process as initial apps....so your situation is essentially the same thing...I would think.

w2kbr said:

And for what its worth...

I applied back in Aug2011, got "disapproved" in November2011. No G&S good enuf.....

On March 5, day of Legg's Decision going Public, , I sent a letter to MSP, asking if they could pull up my app and reconsider..Fat chance I thought, and I was right..more over, MSP said I would have to re-App with all the stuff necessary..yada, yada, yada....

But the interesting thing was, I got their reply today........just 4 days after mailing my question to them. Amazing, I figure...but somebody is working the mail up there.....

R

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You didn't say what the response was, did they advise you to file again?

I WAS TOLD BY CJIS @ 6776 REISTERSTOWN RD. TO GO RIGHT TO MSP ON REISTERSTOWN RD. REASON BEING LIVE SCAN WERE GOOD FRO 72 HOURS!! THIS WAS MARH 8TH.