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ANNAPOLIS GUN RIGHTS RALLY 2/5/20!
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dist1646
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One thing I believe we need to be more conscious of is not educating the enemy, especially at the hearings. Reasons against are fine but, never ever give them anything more than what is needed to shut down the bill. Pointing them in directions that they can and will use against us at some point in the future must be avoided!
hillbilly grandpa
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We need to get outside of our digital comfort zone and take on the long task of organization-building. That means a lot of close conversations and trust building. And it means focusing on initiating action instead of reacting. We can do it. It won't be easy but it will be worth it. Some alliance building with entities we haven't been in the habit of talking to.
They have VCDL and we don't. For years we had people from various organizations go to ANP in suits and ties and talk nice. I know, I was there. We were told don't come in camo, hunting gear, work clothes as we want to present a nice image to the GA.
VCDL has been fighting dirty and down in the trenches for many years. Until recently, they also were not overwhelmed with left wing politicians like we have been as long as I have lived here.
I agree with using the young computer savvy folks to get the word out and let the world know what the truth is. I can't help there, I can barely use a computer.
Squaregrouper
Kragaphile
This is very important. In Analpolis (sic), as well as MDS and social media. I always try to point out flaws without offering a solution and make them think twice about a bill.
AKbythebay
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They have VCDL and we don't. For years we had people from various organizations go to ANP in suits and ties and talk nice. I know, I was there. We were told don't come in camo, hunting gear, work clothes as we want to present a nice image to the GA.
VCDL has been fighting dirty and down in the trenches for many years. Until recently, they also were not overwhelmed with left wing politicians like we have been as long as I have lived here.
I agree with using the young computer savvy folks to get the word out and let the world know what the truth is. I can't help there, I can barely use a computer.
Yep. Let's face it, in Virginia there is still some sort of give-and-take in political system. Our's is long gone. People in this state aren't willing to put in that kind of effort because most see it as pointless. VA still has several moderate to conservative legislators. We do not. And with the majority that the liberal democrats have in this state there's no chance they aren't going to pass whatever anti-gun bills they want year after year. I mean, it sucks, but that is what is here now. Add to that a so-called Republican Governor who won't even give so much as lip service to pro-2A legislation and we have no chance. I mean Hogan could at least make a pro-CCW speech every so often or introduce "shall issue" bills even though he knows they will lose, but he doesn't bother. Why pretend to be a Democrat all the time when it gets you nothing? At least be the voice of dissent once in a while. Anyway put it all together and the apathy among MD gun owners is sort of understandable.
hillbilly grandpa
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Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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Virginia still has a two party system .
No state has a two party system. Parties are just groups of people pooling their political resources.
Virginia still - for the moment - has a population that has the usual world-view divide occurring between to groups of roughly the same size. In Maryland, the lefty world view is embraced by way, way more than half of the population. That’s the difference. Party dominance in the state legislature is just a reflection of the culture’s tipping somewhat (VA) or a lot (MD) in a given direction.
And my point is that we need to use asymmetric means to make the majority mindset in the population centers (i.e., the DC burb counties) toxic. It CAN be done - just look at any college campus; they used to be Conservative.
It's not going to happen overnight, but it WILL happen some time after WE START.
Accurate, but so is BF44 when he uses political parties as proxies for those groups of like-minded individuals. Virginia is still politically dynamic; no particular group has become utterly dominant.
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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Ok , the particular " Group of People Pooling their Political Resources " by law and parliamentary procedures has absolute power , and everyone else combined doesn't even create a legislative speed bump .
And since the in power " Group of People Pooling their Political Resources " uses their absolute power to redraw electoral districts to maximize their power even farther beyond their raw numbers , they are self perpetuating .
And since the in power " Group of People Pooling their Political Resources " uses their absolute power to redraw electoral districts to maximize their power even farther beyond their raw numbers , they are self perpetuating .
Right. The majority has the power in state democracies. Even without the gerrymandering, Maryland’s lefty/progressive-minded voters vastly outnumber us. And so the people they pick run the show in the state legislature. Just the way that states with a majority of conservative voters have the power in their own legislatures.
The problem in MD is generational. Decades in the making. Early victims of that youthful indoctrination are now running the schools and the media. It’s now a solid feedback loop in this state.
How a Grassroots Effort Shaped a Surprise Win in Virginia for Gun Owners
https://www.theepochtimes.com/how-a...e-win-in-virginia-for-gun-owners_3241856.html
This is an example we need to emulate. Too late for this year, but instead for next year when these trash bills resurface.
Will someone(s) touch base with VCDL and get some pointers that we can use?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/how-a...e-win-in-virginia-for-gun-owners_3241856.html
This is an example we need to emulate. Too late for this year, but instead for next year when these trash bills resurface.
Will someone(s) touch base with VCDL and get some pointers that we can use?
We have an expert on grass roots efforts here on the board and he has made many offers to help get a group started down this road, but the majority of people either aren't interested (even though they say we need to do something), or they just plain ignore his offers.
ziptiespec
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Who?
Judging by your recent travels, so do you.
And we already have folks working that aspect.
We need to locate an Info Ops specialist. This will be a long term PSYOP, not a photo op.
Hillbilly Grandpa is an Alinsky Alum, and worked with him directly in Chicago. Who better to learn this stuff from?
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