Anybody hunt deer with a .223? (AR15)

BlackBart · Dec 4, 2011

Redneck said:
Not legal in MD to hunt deer with.

Page 16 of the Maryland Guide to Hunting and Trapping 2011-2012
Rifle Regulations
Bulletin 3
"Rifles used for deer and bear hunting must use ammunition developing a muzzle energy of at least 1,200 foot pounds."

Bottom line is why use a marginal round at best when there are PROVEN deer cartridges that were DESIGNED from the start as such? The .270 comes to mind as does the 300 Savage. That is if one chooses not to use the most versatile round in the world........ the 06. :wink:

Redneck · Dec 4, 2011

BlackBart said:
Bottom line is why use a marginal round at best when there are PROVEN deer cartridges that were DESIGNED from the start as such? The .270 comes to mind as does the 300 Savage. That is if one chooses not to use the most versatile round in the world........ the 06. :wink:

Thread over

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cowboy321 · Dec 4, 2011

Redneck said:
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I know a guy who regularly shot deer with a 22 rifle at 50 yards. Always head shots. He hated md and now takes people on safaris in Botswana. Was a Boer from South Africa.

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Redneck · Dec 4, 2011

cowboy321 said:
I know a guy who regularly shot deer with a 22 rifle at 50 yards. Always head shots. He hated md and now takes people on safaris in Botswana. Was a Boer from South Africa.

Thread sooo over

This is a public forum where we practice following the law, not breaking it. We have a hard enough time with the antis as it is, the last thing we need to promote on a public site is illegal and irresponsible actions involving gun owning rights we fight so hard to protect.

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dmb454ss · Dec 4, 2011

My friends son uses a .223 to hunt with and if he does not put a good shot on it, makes for a long day of tracking. We are trying to get him comfortable with at least a .243. Would rather be safe and ethical and use a larger cal.

BlackBart · Dec 4, 2011

cowboy321 said:
I know a guy who regularly shot deer with a 22 rifle at 50 yards. Always head shots. He hated md and now takes people on safaris in Botswana. Was a Boer from South Africa.

Thread sooo over

So that made him what other than a stupid ******* that didn't care if an animal suffered and many were never found? :rolleyes:

Can a 22 kill a deer? Sure but does it make for a humane shot....hardly. I( doubt he would find ANY state that allows a 22 rimfire a legal deer weapon.

Redneck · Dec 4, 2011

BlackBart said:
So that made him what other than a stupid ******* that didn't care if an animal suffered and many were never found? Can a 22 kill a deer? Sure but does it make for a humane shot....hardly. I( doubt he would find ANY state that allows a 22 rimfire a legal deer weapon.

I walked away from the thread for a few minutes to take care of a few things and kept wondering if indeed any state does allow 22 rimfire for deer hunting. I can't see how it's possibly legal anywhere in the U.S. It's foolish, inhumane, and honestly stupid to hunt deer with a 22. I put money that the 22 mentioned was also sticking out of the window of a truck with another guy holding a spot light yelling "shoot!".

BlackBart · Dec 4, 2011

Redneck said:
I walked away from the thread for a few minutes to take care of a few things and kept wondering if indeed any state does allow 22 rimfire for deer hunting. I can't see how it's possibly legal anywhere in the U.S. It's foolish, inhumane, and honestly stupid to hunt deer with a 22. I put money that the 22 mentioned was also sticking out of the window of a truck with another guy holding a spot light yelling "shoot!".

Perfect!

But remember, the ******* in question is also a Boer and now hunts pygmies with blow darts nowaday.

Redneck · Dec 4, 2011

BlackBart said:
Perfect! But remember, the ******* in question is also a Boer and now hunts pygmies with blow darts nowaday.

dmb454ss · Dec 4, 2011

I do know a guy that hunts on the runway of Dulles airport to keep the deer off and they will only let him use a 22mag. So I guess that is about the only legal example I can think of. Other than that use a larger caliber and make a humane kill.

Russ D · Dec 4, 2011

Redneck said:
Not legal in MD to hunt deer with.

Page 16 of the Maryland Guide to Hunting and Trapping 2011-2012
Rifle Regulations
Bulletin 3
"Rifles used for deer and bear hunting must use ammunition developing a muzzle energy of at least 1,200 foot pounds."

Yeah the 1000 I quoted was a typo. My point was the 40 grainers would be illegal in any firearm.

Redneck · Dec 4, 2011

Russ D said:
Yeah the 1000 I quoted was a typo. My point was the 40 grainers would be illegal in any firearm.

Agreed

Nanook · Dec 5, 2011

BlackBart said:
So that made him what other than a stupid ******* that didn't care if an animal suffered and many were never found? Can a 22 kill a deer? Sure but does it make for a humane shot....hardly. I( doubt he would find ANY state that allows a 22 rimfire a legal deer weapon.

In several villages in Alaska the Natives will wait until a herd crosses the river and drive their boat into the crowd. They pat down the animals to find some nice fat ones, then press a .22 to the head. Quick and humane with zero meat damage. They harvest a few and tow the carcasses back to the dock/beach. The most effective ones I saw (video of) had a winch on a dock boom: raise the animal, gut and bone out the carcass, and haul everything of value off; repeat. If you are not a Native, don't try this as you'll go to jail and lose your boat/plane/car/etc.

On another forum a fellow put together a list on minimum caliber for big game. According to his data AR, GA, and LA say .22 and up. A bunch say .22 Centerfire and up. MS, MO, NC, and VT don't have minimums. IANAL but always check the local laws before heading afield.

Redneck · Dec 5, 2011

Nanook said:
In several villages in Alaska the Natives will wait until a herd crosses the river and drive their boat into the crowd. They pat down the animals to find some nice fat ones, then press a .22 to the head. Quick and humane with zero meat damage. They harvest a few and tow the carcasses back to the dock/beach. The most effective ones I saw (video of) had a winch on a dock boom: raise the animal, gut and bone out the carcass, and haul everything of value off; repeat. If you are not a Native, don't try this as you'll go to jail and lose your boat/plane/car/etc.

On another forum a fellow put together a list on minimum caliber for big game. According to his data AR, GA, and LA say .22 and up. A bunch say .22 Centerfire and up. MS, MO, NC, and VT don't have minimums. IANAL but always check the local laws before heading afield.

.22 rimfire and up?

BlackBart · Dec 5, 2011

Redneck said:
.22 rimfire and up?

Sooooooooooo, a .17 is the only illegal cartridge save a BB gun? :rolleyes:

BlackBart · Dec 5, 2011

Nanook said:
In several villages in Alaska the Natives will wait until a herd crosses the river and drive their boat into the crowd. They pat down the animals to find some nice fat ones, then press a .22 to the head. Quick and humane with zero meat damage. They harvest a few and tow the carcasses back to the dock/beach. The most effective ones I saw (video of) had a winch on a dock boom: raise the animal, gut and bone out the carcass, and haul everything of value off; repeat. If you are not a Native, don't try this as you'll go to jail and lose your boat/plane/car/etc.

On another forum a fellow put together a list on minimum caliber for big game. According to his data AR, GA, and LA say .22 and up. A bunch say .22 Centerfire and up. MS, MO, NC, and VT don't have minimums. IANAL but always check the local laws before heading afield.

That isn't the same as taking deer at 50 yards with a 22. Yes, a 22 pressed to the head would do most anything with some exceptions.

frozencesium · Dec 7, 2011

If you REALLY want to hunt with your AR, just get a 300 AAC Blackout upper and call it a day. 125gr super sonics will meet power with a 16in barrel (1360 ftlbs).

IndispensableDestiny · Dec 10, 2011

BlackBart said:
Sooooooooooo, a .17 is the only illegal cartridge save a BB gun?

I came upon a thread on another forum where they were asking about .17 HMR and white tail deer. Argh.

cornstalk · Jan 9, 2015

No problemo

A .223 with good hunting bullet properly placed will easily drop smallish eastern whitetails up to 100 yds. The DNR is aware that killing power is a combination of velocity, mass and proper expansion, which is why they specified the minimum in foot pounds and not caliber. It's all about bullet placement. In fact I could kill a deer with my BB gun if I wanted to ;-) Well okay maybe I won't go that far. To the poster who thinks a 400 grain arrow will do more damage than a .223, have you heard of hydrostatic shock? Check out YouTube for .223 tests in ballistic gel for penetration and wound channel. One test with v-max bullets shows a 3-4" diameter wound cavity. There is no way an arrow can do that much damage. A poor shot with a .300 magnum is only going to wound the animal and leave it to die hours or days later. I once saw a group of hunters open up on a herd of western mule deer. Later I spotted a doe running full tilt a half mile away with her entire digestive tract dragging ten feet behind her. I'm sure the caliber used was more than adequate.

Robert1955 · Jan 9, 2015

Necro Thread, waking up a 4 year old thread is a brave thing - lol :popcorn:

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