whistlersmother
Peace through strength
Yep. Camels nose under the tent. Look for more "common sense" gun control to "strengthen existing laws" next year.
20190314 - HB740 JUD Amendments
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Yep. Camels nose under the tent. Look for more "common sense" gun control to "strengthen existing laws" next year.
- Jan 31, 2009
- 3,285
That will be the big question, if the computer assistance applies to a receivers 0-80% state, or if applies only to the period it is legally a firearm (81-100%)
I have no idea. I know which way I'd like it to be
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I have no idea. I know which way I'd like it to be
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whistlersmother
Peace through strength
IANAL, but IMO It's not a firearm in the 0-80% state, so this law doesn't apply to the 0-80% state.
budman93
Ultimate Member
That is the only possible way to read it
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
The enactment date on bill 786 is June 1.
Kicken Wing
Snakes and Sparklers
As much as I don't like this bill.... it could have been a hell of a lot worse. I feel a sigh of relief. Anything can still happen though. This still amazes me how dumb the MGA is. Punishing people that spent a butt load of money on 3D technology but by-passing the hand milled 80 percent crowd. I am not looking a gift horse in the mouth. Thanks a ton for posting this amended bill!!!
danb
dont be a dumbass
The way I read it, computer aided manufacturing is fine so long as there is a serial # by a FFL.
whistlersmother
Peace through strength
Yea, well, there's that, I guess... There are two points for 80% - non-registered/unknown and getting the satisfaction of building it yourself.
ELEMENT94
Wild eyed pistol waver.
- Sep 23, 2007
- 487
So whats the point of an .80 then?
budman93
Ultimate Member
Still the same points. This bill no longer affects most of them. I dont know anyone using a cnc to complete an 80. Its all hand done. So still legal
ELEMENT94
Wild eyed pistol waver.
- Sep 23, 2007
- 487
So you dont have to serialize?
- Jan 31, 2009
- 3,285
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budman93
Ultimate Member
Not the way I read it. As amended in the first post it only applies to guns that were completed by computer controlled means.
This is what the bill now does:
"prohibiting a person from possessing, selling, offering to sell, transferring,
purchasing, or receiving a certain firearm manufactured using a certain
computer-aided fabrication device; "
An 80% is legally not a firearm so any cnc work the manufacturer may or may not have done on an 80 is a non issue. It isnt a firearm until the end user completes it, and if you are not using anything computer controlled you are good to go.
Lol, maybe because it doesn't also target 80% builds.
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buellsfurn
Ultimate Member
cnc still shaped the raw block of material
budman93
Ultimate Member
The raw block of material is not legally a firearm so no issue there.
An 80% lower is NOT a firearm.
I believe they are referring to the manufacturer (individual)
budman93
Ultimate Member
Correct because the 80% company does not manufacture a firearm when it makes an 80%
buellsfurn
Ultimate Member
the way i understand it is if a cnc computer memory machine makes the piece it will need a serial number
budman93
Ultimate Member
If a firearm is made using cnc then yes. That does not affect people home building 80%s.
The bill says a FIREARM made using a computer. Not a non firearm piece of plastic that is for all legal purposes a paper weight.
