Would these be C&R

metalman3006 · Apr 27, 2019

USS Wisconsin in Norfolk

Gcs7th · Apr 27, 2019

I would love to see one of those shot in person. I always found something magical about battle ships and their big guns.

Sundazes · Apr 27, 2019

I think they would be a DD per the ATF. Transporting them might be difficult though.
I an not 100% sure, but I think the AGC had a vote to allow firing of 16 inch guns a few weeks ago that were parked in the harbor.

Boats · Apr 27, 2019

Hmmmm, I think they would be C&R.

They are black powder weapons
Using not readily available non-cased ammunition

And while they are over .50cal, so is a .54 Hawkins, and you can get those mail order.

So I would think yes.

Blacksmith101 · Apr 27, 2019

Boats said:
Hmmmm, I think they would be C&R.

They are black powder weapons
Using not readily available non-cased ammunition

And while they are over .50cal, so is a .54 Hawkins, and you can get those mail order.

So I would think yes.

In Navy parlance they are "50 caliber".

Wisconsin's main battery consisted of nine 16 in (406 mm)/50 cal Mark 7 guns, which could hurl 2,700 lb (1,200 kg) armor-piercing shells some 20 mi (32 km). The secondary battery consisted of 20 5 in (127 mm)/38 cal guns in ten twin turrets, which could fire at targets up to 10 mi (16 km) away.

The Navy refers to barrel length in calibers. (50 X 16" = 800" or 66 and 2/3 feet)

lazarus · Apr 27, 2019

Boats said:
Hmmmm, I think they would be C&R.

They are black powder weapons
Using not readily available non-cased ammunition

And while they are over .50cal, so is a .54 Hawkins, and you can get those mail order.

So I would think yes.

They aren’t black powder or muzzle loaders nor antiques. So still DDs

Now an actual muzzle loader cannon is just fine. Cash and carry.

Something like an old Maine class pre-dreadnaught battleship main guns (12”?) should be perfectly legal even though breech loaded. Old enough and non-standard not readily available ammunition.

Jimbob2.0 · Apr 28, 2019

I don't know but I am going to see the "Texas" in May. Piggybacking on one of my wife's conferences. Me and my little buddy are going there and out to Galveston while she is stuck in Houston.

Dovk0802 · Apr 30, 2019

They (& similar) are C&R and a DD subject to NFA. Still need a stamp but don’t need a dealer for interstate transfer and can have it delivered to your home

Ranchero50 · Apr 30, 2019

I was in Dahlgren when they test fired the last batch of 16" rifles before the BB's went back to sleep. The concussion liked to rip the fire door off the barracks and we were @ 1/2 mile behind the breech. Impressive....

gwfrench · Apr 30, 2019

C&R since they were made more than 50 years ago.
Probably not eligible for concealed carry though.
Tough to find holsters big enough.
I don't know what size they used to shoot down the Potomac from Dahlgren.
I remember hearing the booms and seeing groups of splashes out
in the middle of the Potomac off Cobb Island back in the 60's or 70's.

lowoncash · May 1, 2019

So based on the comments and c&r

Size doesn’t matter?

BeoBill · May 1, 2019

Ranchero50 said:
I was in Dahlgren when they test fired the last batch of 16" rifles before the BB's went back to sleep. The concussion liked to rip the fire door off the barracks and we were @ 1/2 mile behind the breech. Impressive....

I'm told that when New Jersey fired all of her main guns at the same time the ship would be moved YARDS in the opposite direction.

EODJoe · May 1, 2019

The Navy used to use parts of APG as impact area for gunnery practice. I've found unexploded naval ordnance on Poole's Island as well as at least one unexploded 14" projectile on APG in the impact areas we still use. 14" guns were phased out before WWII if I remember correctly.

Blacksmith101 · May 1, 2019

Some images for your enjoyment:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bat...WGY98KHUbfDKcQ7AkoAXoECAkQDQ&biw=1280&bih=586

Please use hearing protection when viewing these images.

Boats · May 1, 2019

lazarus said:
They aren’t black powder or muzzle loaders nor antiques. So still DDs

Now an actual muzzle loader cannon is just fine. Cash and carry.

Something like an old Maine class pre-dreadnaught battleship main guns (12”?) should be perfectly legal even though breech loaded. Old enough and non-standard not readily available ammunition.

They most certainly are black powder. The 16" guns on the New Jersey class used black powder as a charge.

Blacksmith101 · May 2, 2019

Boats said:
They most certainly are black powder. The 16" guns on the New Jersey class used black powder as a charge.

The USS New Jersey was an Iowa-class battleship. The Iowa-class battleships used the 16"/50 caliber Mark 7 – United States Naval Gun as the main armament.

The D839 propellant (smokeless powder) grain used for full charges issued for this gun was 2 inches long (5.08 cm), 1 inch in diameter (2.54 cm) and had seven perforations, each 0.060 inches in diameter (0.152 cm) with a web thickness range of 0.193 to 0.197 inches (0.490 to 0.500 cm) between the perforations and the grain diameter. A maximum charge consists of six silk bags–hence the term bag gun–each filled with 110 pounds of propellant.

The red quilted primer patch on the end of each bag holds the black powder igniter.

This site has lots more information:
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_16-50_mk7.php

Bullfrog · May 2, 2019

EODJoe said:
The Navy used to use parts of APG as impact area for gunnery practice. I've found unexploded naval ordnance on Poole's Island as well as at least one unexploded 14" projectile on APG in the impact areas we still use. 14" guns were phased out before WWII if I remember correctly.

14" guns were no longer being placed on new construction battleships, but there were many built between the wars that were still in service through the end of ww2.

Several of them were at Pearl during the attack: Tennessee, California, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Nevada, Oklahoma.

Others were in service in the Atlantic at the time. The first 3 (The newest in this list) moved to Pacific after the attack but the older ones remained for convoy escort duty: Missouri, Idaho, New Mexico, Texas, New York, Arkansas.

Boats · May 2, 2019

Blacksmith101 said:
In Navy parlance they are "50 caliber".

The Navy refers to barrel length in calibers. (50 X 16" = 800" or 66 and 2/3 feet)

I am aware. The destroyers I was stationed on had a 5" 54cal and a 5" 62 Cal, respectively. My screen name is because I was a BM2(SW/NAC)

I was addressing the ATF law that states that anything above . 50 Cal is a destructive device and why i didn't think it applied here

Boats · May 2, 2019

Blacksmith101 said:
The USS New Jersey was an Iowa-class battleship. The Iowa-class battleships used the 16"/50 caliber Mark 7 – United States Naval Gun as the main armament.

This site has lots more information:
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_16-50_mk7.php

Iowa class is what I meant, thanks. I was told they were black powder when I was aboard the Mo. (BB-63). Guess I was told wrong.

Jimbob2.0 · Jul 7, 2019

Just spent the day on the Battleship USS Texas. Impressive old girl...…..sad state of disrepair despite the tireless efforts of the staff and volunteers.

Hopefully no one gets any stupid ideas and they keep this girl in at least museum state.

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