Most under appreciated c&r rifle

Chazp89 · Feb 10, 2018

Figure this might start some interesting discussion. What do you think is the most under appreciated c&r rifle design? Either by collectors or in service

Ready... go!

Jimbob2.0 · Feb 10, 2018

That could take some thinking. I would probably say MAS 49. Really clever design, early direct impingement. 7.5 French is a much maligned caliber but very appropriate and effective.

Dan44 · Feb 10, 2018

I can agree about the French rifles , I just got my 1st C&R license then I just couldn't bring myself to buy one

Biggfoot44 · Feb 10, 2018

Ok , I'll be that guy once again :

This Thread should be titled Most Underappreciated MILSURP Rifle . C&R is not synonymous with Milsurp . All bolt action Milsurps are C&R, but zillions of C&R aren't Milsurp .

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Rant out of the way , I'll nominate the 6.5 Caracano .

somd_mustangs · Feb 10, 2018

Johnson 1941 (JSAR).
Lots of innovation, granted the stock was weak but it had a lot going for it.

Chazp89 · Feb 10, 2018

Biggfoot44 said:
Ok , I'll be that guy once again :

This Thread should be titled Most Underappreciated MILSURP Rifle . C&R is not synonymous with Milsurp . All bolt action Milsurps are C&R, but zillions of C&R aren't Milsurp .

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Rant out of the way , I'll nominate the 6.5 Caracano .

It is more geared towards milsurp but this post is not limited to milsurp by any means. I added “in service” just to add another potential layer of discussion

Biggfoot44 · Feb 10, 2018

And somd mustang brings up a good point - Underapprecated back in the day ? Or underappreciated in moden times ?

The above Johnson was dissed back in the day , but is highly sought today.

somd_mustangs · Feb 10, 2018

and ironically the JSAR saw very little military action in general, most of them out there were never issued.

Biggfoot44 · Feb 10, 2018

Ok . In that theme - Savage M1920 . Sub lukewarm reception in the day , but excellent rifle 60 years ahead of its time .

iH8DemLibz · Feb 10, 2018

The one that's sitting in an armory overseas because the Republican Trifecta Machine won't change firearm import laws and allow crate after crate of cosmoline covered rifles into the U.S.

That aside: The Yugoslavian M48/M48A bolt action rifle chambered in 8mm Mauser.

Melnic · Feb 10, 2018

Brings me back to the Arisaka. Infamous regime. For the collector, these are often matching with the Mum less than $350. The ground mum is part of the history and not a bubba or defacing by bubba. They are often in the same condition as they were taken from the Japanese soldier. For a German K98K that would be a $1000 rifle in the same condition. This from a Historical and Collector prospective. If not, it would be in the top 10 or even 5 IMO. A MAS 36 might be in the same gategory. Often I think in the same condition. M1 Garands, M1 Carbines were upgraded and rearsinaled. Hard to find an affordable (in same condition as issued) for those. Many K98K are Russian capture if affordable. Refurbed Mosins. Many Enfields had rear sights upgraded. Swiss Rifles are appreciated plenty so they are out. Vetterli's may be a candidate, Hard to find ammo to shoot them properly, historically significant and inexpensive to buy (when you find one). For Non Milsurp C&R, I think the most underappreciated gun I have might be the High Standard target pistols. Inexpensive and good shooters for the day.

Chazp89 · Feb 10, 2018

Almost forgot to post my pick, was going to say arisaka, carcano or any French rifle for the unwarranted bad stigma they all got but I’ll go out on a limb and say the Czech vz52. In my eyes a much better gun than the sks.

The m1941 Johnson has a vote from me too, if it entered trials earlier it would have given the garand a serious run for its money

Zorros · Feb 11, 2018

French 49/56 as good a battle rifle as ever made. Handy, simple and packs a wallop. Someone wrote that it should have won the us trials to replace the garand, but it was under appreciated ( and french). See? How about brit P14s? Still priced low. And us mod. 1917s. They seem to fly low.

mawkie · Feb 12, 2018

I like a good underdog (my Ross collection is proof positive) and totally agree on French arms, esp. the MAS 36 and MAS 49 families. The MAS 1940 was in limited troop trials when the Germans invaded so its impact was negligible. Had it made full production it would have been one of the most advanced MBRs of the war. Post war it got a removable 10 round magazine and became the MAS 44 that French Marines loved.

K31 · Feb 12, 2018

The 49/56 came this close to being a great rifle. Trigger pull sucked however. Front sight too tree-trunk like, although the mechanism for raising/lowering it like the AR15 is nice. Staked parts to prevent soldiers from doing more than field striping not-so great. If they had just made the receiver cover a bit lower in the rear you could clean it from the rear. Severe drop of the buttstock doesn't help barrel rise or scoping it.

HappyCamper · Feb 12, 2018

Winchester Model 12 family of shotguns. Probably one of the best built shotguns I've have the pleasure to own. My Father has a set of 8, in various gauges and configurations. Absolutely gorgeous weapons.

And yeah yeah yeah.. not a rifle... Blah blah... Lol... They are still cool

you'll thank me once you get one in your collection. Same with older Winchester model 94 rifles.

Boom Boom · Feb 12, 2018

Commercial: Winchester Model 67/67A

Military: Polish Wz-48 Mosin 22LR training rifles

somd_mustangs · Feb 12, 2018

Well if you're gonna go military training rifles how about the Harrington & Richardson Reising MC-58?
what's that you say? -- exactly.
Or his daddy the Model 65, both built for USMC.
At least the M65 got issued and used

Boom Boom · Feb 12, 2018

somd_mustangs said:
Well if you're gonna go military training rifles how about the Harrington & Richardson Reising MC-58?
what's that you say? -- exactly.
Or his daddy the Model 65, both built for USMC.
At least the M65 got issued and used

Misses the point of the thread. I would never call the MC-58/M65 underappreciated. It's quite the collectors item and highly-prized.

somd_mustangs · Feb 12, 2018

It was under-appreciated back in the day.

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