Retroactive AR Ban?

svennn · Sep 10, 2019

I have been getting more into various types of competitive shooting over the last few years.

Next up may be a 3 gun style competition. I'm navigating the MD laws as they apply to an AR15 and I think I'm starting to understand them.

One thing at really concerns me is some sort of retroactive mandatory buy back in the future. I would hate to spend the money then have the state say that unless you owned it before 20XX you must turn it in.

Putting aside all the 2A issues with this, what are the chances the state of MD tries something like this?

Steve

Bertfish · Sep 10, 2019

They did try it last year. So the chance is 100%

RedTide · Sep 10, 2019

svennn said:
Putting aside all the 2A issues with this, what are the chances the state of MD tries something like this?

Tries, legislatively at least? 100%. Succeeds? Much more murky.

holesonpaper · Sep 10, 2019

We're all worried about this type of possibility. Whether it's legal or not, I can see places trying however it would inevitably be decided in the courts.

pbharvey · Sep 10, 2019

Putting aside all the 2A issues with this,

2A is the ONLY issue with this.

A mandatory buy-back is confiscation.
Anyone who participates should return their bullets first.

The second amendment was written shortly after this event.

In late 1774, Colonial leaders adopted the Suffolk Resolves in resistance to the alterations made to the Massachusetts colonial government by the British parliament following the Boston Tea Party. The colonial assembly responded by forming a Patriot provisional government known as the Massachusetts Provincial Congress and calling for local militias to train for possible hostilities. The Colonial government exercised effective control of the colony outside of British-controlled Boston. In response, the British government in February 1775 declared Massachusetts to be in a state of rebellion.

About 700 British Army regulars in Boston, under Lieutenant Colonel Francis Smith, were given secret orders to capture and destroy Colonial military supplies reportedly stored by the Massachusetts militia at Concord. Through effective intelligence gathering, Patriot leaders had received word weeks before the expedition that their supplies might be at risk and had moved most of them to other locations. On the night before the battle, warning of the British expedition had been rapidly sent from Boston to militias in the area by several riders, including Paul Revere and Samuel Prescott, with information about British plans. The initial mode of the Army's arrival by water was signaled from the Old North Church in Boston to Charlestown using lanterns to communicate "one if by land, two if by sea".

The first shots were fired just as the sun was rising at Lexington. Eight militiamen were killed, including Ensign Robert Munroe, their third in command.[10] The British suffered only one casualty. The militia were outnumbered and fell back, and the regulars proceeded on to Concord, where they broke apart into companies to search for the supplies. At the North Bridge in Concord, approximately 400 militiamen engaged 100 regulars from three companies of the King's troops at about 11:00 am, resulting in casualties on both sides. The outnumbered regulars fell back from the bridge and rejoined the main body of British forces in Concord.

The British forces began their return march to Boston after completing their search for military supplies, and more militiamen continued to arrive from neighboring towns. Gunfire erupted again between the two sides and continued throughout the day as the regulars marched back towards Boston. Upon returning to Lexington, Lt. Col. Smith's expedition was rescued by reinforcements under Brigadier General Hugh Percy, a future duke of Northumberland styled at this time by the courtesy title Earl Percy. The combined force of about 1,700 men marched back to Boston under heavy fire in a tactical withdrawal and eventually reached the safety of Charlestown. The accumulated militias then blockaded the narrow land accesses to Charlestown and Boston, starting the Siege of Boston.

Doctor_M · Sep 10, 2019

svennn said:
I have been getting more into various types of competitive shooting over the last few years.

Next up may be a 3 gun style competition. I'm navigating the MD laws as they apply to an AR15 and I think I'm starting to understand them.

One thing at really concerns me is some sort of retroactive mandatory buy back in the future. I would hate to spend the money then have the state say that unless you owned it before 20XX you must turn it in.

Putting aside all the 2A issues with this, what are the chances the state of MD tries something like this?

Steve

With MD, I can almost guarantee that they will not offer to "buy it back"... they will just flat out ban them.

BlueHeeler · Sep 10, 2019

svennn said:
One thing at really concerns me is some sort of retroactive mandatory buy back in the future. I would hate to spend the money then have the state say that unless you owned it before 20XX you must turn it in.

Aside: They are not talking about a buy back, it is a confiscation.

To buy/purchase something there must be voluntary consent between two parties.

To "buy back" the purchasing party must have previously owned the item.

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Sirex · Sep 10, 2019

When I heard about this last year, I started planning accordingly. I recommend everyone should. Gives us at least an 80% chance of success.

alucard0822 · Sep 10, 2019

The way things are, most anything gun related can be banned or become lawful again at any point, stupid and evil politicians, biased judges, and plenty of court cases on both sides. If you want to get into 3 gun, get a rifle, as long as it is lawful NOW, then no sense in worrying about what may come, if something does come, it's almost universally grandfathered, or at least at this point they seem unwilling to kick the hornets nest of confiscation as a practice. Nice thing about AR's is that the receiver can be bought as a "firearm", not legally a rifle or handgun, then built into whatever you want. If a "mag fed rifle" is unlawful, as long as it has a "brace" it can be a lawful pistol, if it has a rimfire upper, might be able to skirt a "centerfire semi-auto" ban, and if there is trouble, it's probably the most capable rifle in widespread civilian hands.

Boxcab · Sep 10, 2019

Re-think buying your next car, a number of politicians are working towards banning those as well!

I would not recommend investing in those methane emitting cows either...

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fidelity · Sep 10, 2019

Has any state gotten close to passing a forced buyback/confiscation? I don't think this will fly in the US as much as antigunners might dream it.

On the other hand, enhanced "assault weapons"/semiautomatic long gun future purchase bans in MD might gain traction in the next legislative session. If they do this, they will grandfather what is owned (but they may try to interfere with transfer - hopefully not inheritance).

More likely, I think we'll see successful passage of some sort of UBC in MD if it doesn't happen federally first. As in the last legislative session, I'm sure some sort of Long Gun Qualification License (or combining it with the HQL) will also be proposed.

Not_an_outlaw · Sep 10, 2019

Getting involved in the political process in Maryland is the best way to challenge these proposals.

KJackson · Sep 10, 2019

Boxcab said:
I would not recommend investing in those methane emitting cows either...

My investments are short term...only long enough to get to my dining room table.

ericahls · Sep 10, 2019

Of course if they do try a mandatory buy back, I will obediently comply. What other option do I have, violently defend my rights

River02 · Sep 10, 2019

Go for it! Get yourself Heavy Barreled Up and rock that 3 Gun comp. MGA be damned!!!

grimnar15 · Sep 10, 2019

holesonpaper said:
We're all worried about this type of possibility. Whether it's legal or not, I can see places trying however it would inevitably be decided in the courts.

But what would you do if it becomes law?

WildWeasel · Sep 10, 2019

svennn said:
I have been getting more into various types of competitive shooting over the last few years.

Next up may be a 3 gun style competition. I'm navigating the MD laws as they apply to an AR15 and I think I'm starting to understand them.

One thing at really concerns me is some sort of retroactive mandatory buy back in the future. I would hate to spend the money then have the state say that unless you owned it before 20XX you must turn it in.

Putting aside all the 2A issues with this, what are the chances the state of MD tries something like this?

Steve

This is murderlan.... I mean maryland... Top what, 5?for worst guns laws in the country, and always trying to add more.

Just buy the firearms (HBAR). Then you'll have them for when we actually need them...

Muleskinner · Sep 10, 2019

Your post count is low so you probably don't know. Those of us who value our 2A rights refuse to comply...if they want them they can come take them..

dist1646 · Sep 10, 2019

Muleskinner said:
Your post count is low so you probably don't know. Those of us who value our 2A rights refuse to comply...if they want them they can come and try to take them..

FIFY!

Art3 · Sep 10, 2019

svennn said:
I have been getting more into various types of competitive shooting over the last few years.

Next up may be a 3 gun style competition. I'm navigating the MD laws as they apply to an AR15 and I think I'm starting to understand them.

One thing at really concerns me is some sort of retroactive mandatory buy back in the future. I would hate to spend the money then have the state say that unless you owned it before 20XX you must turn it in.

Putting aside all the 2A issues with this, what are the chances the state of MD tries something like this?

Steve

The future is uncertain at best. What is very likely is that AR purchases will become increasingly difficult as time goes on. If you don't buy one soon, you may never be able to own one. Just think of all those awesome experiences you'll be denying yourself (and family?).

Is it better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all?

Buy it, now. Get your friends and their friends interested in buying their own and doing the political legwork to help us all keep them.

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