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Old July 31st, 2020, 03:41 PM #181
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"Price-gouging" is ethically and morally just fine. It's actually a positive lever for the marketplace; if demand has driven prices up, it serves as a stimulus to create more product.

The alternative will result in the Russian solution - empty shelves at the proletarian stores, ready availability in the Special Stores for Party members. Artificial planning via command economy has the same result of any government program.

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Old July 31st, 2020, 03:51 PM #182
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...doubles the cost of any serious training.
Yes it does, but I have only had a couple of people back out because of the increased cost. Despite the toll it takes on my weekends, I am happy to see more people realizing the need for training and actually doing it, even if the catalyst for that training has to be dire circumstances.

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Exactly. Those that ignored reality and followed the pied pipers of ammo deals (Ie wait it out, buy from Cabelas/Bass Pro) are now paying double if not more. I guess there’s some that believe supply and demand is a social construct and if we all just agreed to stop buying today 9mm would plummet to .12 cpr but it’s not realistic. If we lose in 2020 we are completely screwed, if we win I still see 4-6 months before production and supply/demand level out.
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Wish I had your optimism. But with the elections coming up I don't see the prices coming back down for a long, long time.

I don't know about all of that.

I definitely don't think it's going to stay at $500/1000 Wolf .223 or $400/1000 9mm forever.

It's going up that high because all of these people are stockpiling ammo and guns for the first time. Probably a lot of BLM and communist people are arming up to kill us too.

Wait it out if you already have a stockpile of ammo, or maybe consider reloading instead. It might just be time to use .22lr for a while.
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"Price-gouging" is ethically and morally just fine. It's actually a positive lever for the marketplace; if demand has driven prices up, it serves as a stimulus to create more product.

The alternative will result in the Russian solution - empty shelves at the proletarian stores, ready availability in the Special Stores for Party members. Artificial planning via command economy has the same result of any government program.

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That’s not at all the case in either short term emergencies/disaster nor is it true with natural monopolies. Outside of that, sure, it can drive new entrants to the market leveling prices.
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There's always somebody who's hungry and looking for the opportunity to compete in a market they identify as needing competition. While capitalism and free markets aren't perfect, they are remarkably self-regulating if left to their own. It's when the heavy hand of government gets involved distortions in the market occur if not carefully overseen.
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That’s not at all the case in either short term emergencies/disaster nor is it true with natural monopolies. Outside of that, sure, it can drive new entrants to the market leveling prices.

Poor planning on your part does not necessitate an emergency on mine.

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"Price-gouging" is ethically and morally just fine. It's actually a positive lever for the marketplace; if demand has driven prices up, it serves as a stimulus to create more product.

The alternative will result in the Russian solution - empty shelves at the proletarian stores, ready availability in the Special Stores for Party members. Artificial planning via command economy has the same result of any government program.
Price gouging is also a tax on those that do not plan ahead.

Live in FL, and NOT stockpile some water for hurricane season? REALLY?

Same with ammo. Many stocked up over the last couple of years when prices were good. Others are paying the price of not doing so.
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There's always somebody who's hungry and looking for the opportunity to compete in a market they identify as needing competition. While capitalism and free markets aren't perfect, they are remarkably self-regulating if left to their own. It's when the heavy hand of government gets involved distortions in the market occur if not carefully overseen.
Not true with utilities.

How many internet service providers do most people in the US have? The answer is one. Even in major metropolitan areas. How many gas companies? How many electric or water companies? Heck, emergency medical care is effectively a natural monopoly. You don’t really have the choice to call around and price shop for “treating a sudden onset stroke”. Let alone getting the hospitals to tell you what the cost of treatment would be (real public apt posted costs would be a start).

Many disasters are completely unforeseeable, not can they be planned for.

Supply and demand work when both parties have equal or near equal power. When the power balance is vastly unequal then it isn’t an effective means of self regulating. Same reason there are employer-employee regulations governing workplaces in most industries. I’ll absolutely agree some are onerous and stupid. Many aren’t, such as bans on “no compete” contracts and companies collaborating with each other to drive down employee pay and benefits.

Doubt you’ll agree with me
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Even if you would have gotten it at a ridiculous WM discount, the current market is what it is... it wouldn’t be your problem. You don’t owe anybody anything... if the current base cost of 9mm is 40cpr plus shipping, you would be crazy to sell for less. (Unless you are helping someone out). Otherwise, why would you sell it for less then it would cost you to get more. I feel bad for new shooters (Or for those that didn’t quite have the finances to stack deep), I really do, but everyone else, not so much. We had over a year at crazy low prices. We knew elections were coming up... we saw corona starting to take hold... I remember paying almost $1 per round for 5.56. My wife was not too happy when I started buying more ammo at the cheap prices... I told her it won’t last... it didn’t and now she sees my point.

I have no intention of selling any ammo, but if I do it will be at market rate.

Ya I just started getting into guns (collecting C&R and building ARs) the last like 4-5 months and these ammo prices are killing me. I really wish I started like 2 years ago when I could.


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I ignored any mssgs from those who wanted me to sell or trade to them for less.
Good call. Some are waiting in the wings to buy from someone willing to sell well below market prices, so they can immediately flip it at today's higher prices.
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