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  • DanGuy48

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    A lot of people seem to think that the NRA's power (politically) comes from traditional lobbying, where the organization asks politicians to behave in certain ways in exchange for things like ad campaigns or other support for their re/election. That's NOT what makes the NRA work, when it comes to seating useful politicians or reining in at least some of the more toxic impulses fueled by people like Bloomberg.

    No. What the NRA offers is MEMBERS WHO VOTE. That's what scares the lefties who draw the NRA's gaze, or historically has. It's the NRA's ability to say to a local politician, "Our membership includes 150,000 people in your district and they WILL vote against you if you back [whatever awful bill] or don't support [somebody we want]." The NRA has been able to promise the coherent and passionate voting of its members. That's the power the organization has truly been able to wield in many hazardous elections up and down the scale of government. The organization's role in that respect has been to get people off their butts and VOTE when something dire is on the line, and it has worked for decades. That's where the clout came from. Abandoning that single, huge, coherent voting block out of annoyance about internal politics and the desire for a change in executive management or BOD bodies, is suicide for us. No other entity has the cohesion and messaging platform to be able to credibly approach politicians with a reminder that that horsepower is there and means business. We have to keep those millions of 2A-minded voters together as a group, because there really is strength in those numbers.

    X2. No argument with any of that.

    I just got my SAF newsletter and saw this article (linked). Partial quote....
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    ““According to The Trace, which is funded by anti-gun billionaire Michael Bloomberg, Congress has launched six investigations of the NRA,” noted SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb. “With Democrats in control of the House, promising to push a full slate of gun control measures, that seems just a little curious.”

    Gottlieb, who also chairs the CCRKBA, said it is fair to question an avalanche of investigations involving the NRA at a time when its attention should be focused squarely on renewed efforts to erode the Second Amendment.

    “Are these investigations legitimate,” Gottlieb wondered, “or are they a deliberately choreographed attempt to distract the NRA’s focus when it needs to be concentrating on the battle now developing on Capitol Hill?

    “We’ve been delighted to work with NRA on a number of efforts,” he continued, “including our successful lawsuits against the 2005 post-Katrina gun grab in New Orleans, the San Francisco gun ban, our joint challenge of Seattle’s attempted parks gun ban and our ongoing federal lawsuit against a gun control initiative in Washington State. So, when we see this kind of congressional onslaught at the same time Beltway anti-gunners are trying to ram through an aggressive gun control agenda, let’s just say our radar is up.””
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    https://www.saf.org/ccrkba-saf-question-congressional-motives-behind-nra-investigations/
     

    Bob A

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    Nov 11, 2009
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    The Liberal hyenas smell blood and will gang up to tear the wounded NRA to shreds.

    Let's all help them with this.
     

    MackM

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    Jan 20, 2018
    86
    I knew Ollie back in the day and found him to be a straight-up guy. His NSC job required him to do what he did. Ref the NRA, if not them then we need someone else to be on the alert, nationally, for news stories like this: https://www.military.com/daily-news...ame-citizen-white-house-slain-her-2-kids.html
    If it turns out a knife was used, the story will die. If it was a gun, some anti-2A group will take up the cry and blame the gun, unless some organization proactively addresses it in the news and cites the husband's wandering along the highway afterward. Mental illness is the main issue regardless of what weapon was used to kill those 3 people.
     

    rascal

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    Feb 15, 2013
    1,253
    A lot of people seem to think that the NRA's power (politically) comes from traditional lobbying, where the organization asks politicians to behave in certain ways in exchange for things like ad campaigns or other support for their re/election. That's NOT what makes the NRA work, when it comes to seating useful politicians or reining in at least some of the more toxic impulses fueled by people like Bloomberg.

    No. What the NRA offers is MEMBERS WHO VOTE. That's what scares the lefties who draw the NRA's gaze, or historically has. It's the NRA's ability to say to a local politician, "Our membership includes 150,000 people in your district and they WILL vote against you if you back [whatever awful bill] or don't support [somebody we want]." The NRA has been able to promise the coherent and passionate voting of its members. That's the power the organization has truly been able to wield in many hazardous elections up and down the scale of government. The organization's role in that respect has been to get people off their butts and VOTE when something dire is on the line, and it has worked for decades. That's where the clout came from. Abandoning that single, huge, coherent voting block out of annoyance about internal politics and the desire for a change in executive management or BOD bodies, is suicide for us. No other entity has the cohesion and messaging platform to be able to credibly approach politicians with a reminder that that horsepower is there and means business. We have to keep those millions of 2A-minded voters together as a group, because there really is strength in those numbers.

    This is precisely correct. Large, member based, ie legitimate organizations like NRA are inherently messy. Top down ones funded and run by billionaires like Bloomberg, or Soros, are inherently tight ships no internal controversy over control, strategy, tactics or operations -- or boardroom fights.

    NRA need to be fixed and need to lead the 2A fight.

    Here is what happened at the NRA based on a careful reading of what has come out so far:

    1) Successful externally applied financial stress. Applied financial stress to the NRA. a) gunsdownamerica.org $15 million over three years with the sole purpose of targeting NRA corporate donorship and affinity groups, taking out about $40 million per year in NRA revenue ; b) Democrat party US state attorneys generals targeting NRA carry insurance/pre-paid legal fee program, an expcted major new revenue stream

    2) Hiring a third party vendor that became dominant and resulted in a corrupting force

    Associations or non-profit membership groups, commonly hire outside vendors to handle an aspect or several aspects of their operations. For example they may do their own publications (writing, production, subscription and mailing management, and advertising sales) in-house or hand that over to a third party expert company that does this for several associations. Same with payroll, accounting, or hiring, or government relations, or membership drives, or "development" (fundraising), or public relations with the press, or managing large events like conferences and annual meetings, or strategic planning, or lobbying etc. Any one or several of those can be handed over to vendors who specialize in those fields.

    This has a lot of efficiencies. You get some firm that is expert in running your magazines and newsletters, or expert in lobbying, or expert in raising money for your scholarships, etc. But also has dangers.

    The dangers include the same dangers with any hiring of vendors -- the vendor can start to do favors for which ever person or group of people in the organization that are the decision makers in deciding who to hire and overseeing them. Whomever, be it purchasing department, executive director, or board members, who also/are doing the deciding of what vendor to choose, whether to retain them the next contract cycle, o allow a increase in their fees might be getting a ham at Christmas, their idiot nephew or girlfriend hired or contracted, or they might be getting a paper bag of cash.

    NTATV was always internal only. No non-nra members watched it. Such an outlet is a very good way to promote members of the board that support the outside vendor creating a viscous cycle of conflicts of interest. Who was initiating the unethical behavior, be it board members or leaders demanding slush fund type bribe payments, or if the vendor initiated it does't matter -- it is going to happen anyway due to the interest conflicts and mechanisms for slush funds set up.

    The good news is this kind of thing happened with a LOT of organisations. it happened all the time. Board of directors control fight and then revelations of unethical and perhaps illegal behavior.

    You don't throw it out, most survive and get healthier. You fire the board, and put in a lean and mean board (10 at most) of all new people
     

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