Adding another caliber vs PCC

g8tr · Feb 26, 2019

The stupidity in Annapolis has me thinking about a rifle purchase. Given that I already own 2 rifles in 5.56 and one in 5.45, I’m debating the wisdom of adding yet another caliber to have to stock up vs getting a pistol-caliber carbine in a caliber I already stock (like 9mm or .45 ACP). If I was to add another caliber, I was thinking either .308, .300 blk, or 7.62x39. Else, it would likely be a CZ Scorpion in 9mm.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
g8tr

engineerbrian · Feb 26, 2019

I prefer 9mm AR’s for a range toy over 556 AR’s any day. Light recoil, cheap ammo that I already stock and easy to suppress. Plus the kids and wife like it due to minimal recoil and muzzle blast.

cstone · Feb 26, 2019

I chose .300 Blk because I didn't want to stock up on 7.62x39. Similar ballistics but the .300 Blk can use the same magazines and bolt as 5.56. It is a little more expensive than 7.62x39 but I consider it more of a niche caliber anyway.

A 9mm AR upper is in my future but it probably won't get shot much. Having two complete ARs in .40 S&W and .357 SIG, to go with most of my handguns covers my bases, IMO for the AR PCC.

Magazines have been a big factor driving my choices. Magpul and Glock mags have been plentiful and affordable as long as I am patient waiting on good deals.

CodeWarrior1241 · Feb 26, 2019

The CZ Scorpion Evo is awesome and is highly recommended. Only downside is getting mags for it vs using Glock mags for AR 9mm uppers. I don't have a Glock, so when I had the exact same choice to make I got the CZ.

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bbaick · Feb 27, 2019

I personally love my Ruger PC9. I can use Glock mags for it, which I already have. I’ve been thinking of a Springfield M1A in 6.5 Creedmoor (I believe it’s still legal in MD).

OLM-Medic · Feb 27, 2019

Guns are bad. Mkay?

g8tr · Feb 27, 2019

I’ve spent the last week emailing and calling them, and it’s so frustrating dealing with them. Hard to remain optimistic when you talk to them...

DutchV · Feb 27, 2019

The new Ruger carbines are a lot of fun. Supply has caught up some, too.

outrider58 · Feb 27, 2019

g8tr said:
I’ve spent the last week emailing and calling them, and it’s so frustrating dealing with them. Hard to remain optimistic when you talk to them...

Who is "them"?

g8tr · Feb 27, 2019

outrider58 said:
Who is "them"?

Delegates and senator for my district (11)...

alucard0822 · Feb 27, 2019

AR based PCCs are awesome primarily because they can do things a rifle cal can't, shoot them at handgun ranges, steel targets at close range, PCC matches, etc. They are cheap to feed, recoil can be a little lighter, and are sufficiently accurate out to 200 yards. There are a few companies that make dedicated platforms, or a few adapter mag blocks for Colt or GLOCK mags. Main issues are Colt mags are tempermental, and GLOCK based builds need alternate mag-releases and few have functional bolt catches. I really like my FM products GLOCK mag lower, they are cheap, the LRBHO works flawlessly, the mag release is huge, the magwell has a nice big bevel, and it functions great. Most every other dedicated lower took some fitting and fiddling to get it to work. Don't have one, but have heard good things about the Stern defense GLOCK mag block, costs a little more than a dedicated lower, but you can either slap it in an existing AR15, or just buy a standard mil-spec(or close to it) lower, and convert it easily.

Muleskinner · Feb 27, 2019

Buy what you'd like. Next session they might be banned. Once the lefties in the MGA find out that their HBAR ban only bans one caliber they will be looking to ban everything on the AR platform..

RuralRifleGuy · Feb 27, 2019

Buy a PCC and also buy a 300 BLK upper to use on one of your existing rifles. I have two 300 BLK uppers that share a lower and they are fun to shoot (one is my home defense AR setup), but I'm buying a PCC specifically so I can stay at the range longer. It's easier to spend a few hours when your ammo is $0.15 per round instead of $0.50 per round.

outrider58 · Feb 27, 2019

g8tr said:
Delegates and senator for my district (11)...

OK. But we're talking about guns now, right?

engineerbrian · Feb 27, 2019

alucard0822 said:
AR based PCCs are awesome primarily because they can do things a rifle cal can't, shoot them at handgun ranges, steel targets at close range, PCC matches, etc. They are cheap to feed, recoil can be a little lighter, and are sufficiently accurate out to 200 yards. There are a few companies that make dedicated platforms, or a few adapter mag blocks for Colt or GLOCK mags. Main issues are Colt mags are tempermental, and GLOCK based builds need alternate mag-releases and few have functional bolt catches. I really like my FM products GLOCK mag lower, they are cheap, the LRBHO works flawlessly, the mag release is huge, the magwell has a nice big bevel, and it functions great. Most every other dedicated lower took some fitting and fiddling to get it to work. Don't have one, but have heard good things about the Stern defense GLOCK mag block, costs a little more than a dedicated lower, but you can either slap it in an existing AR15, or just buy a standard mil-spec(or close to it) lower, and convert it easily.

I’ve used the Stern Defense mag blocks quite a bit and can say they are top notch. Its the only block to buy.

Sirex · Feb 27, 2019

I like the PCCs. My HiPoint (insert laughing) 995 is rugged, and fun to shoot. Cost to feed is cheap, low recoil, ammo is light and small, easy to store. My daughter does not like my AR. Even with hearing protection on she doesnt. But it seems regular 9mm isnt as loud (to us), and theres a good deal of subsonic 9mm out there. My 995 is ugly but gets the job done.

I did get a Scorpion Evo carbine this past fall, but havent shot it. Compared to the Keltec Sub 2k, and even my 995, it is a big gun, sizewise for a 9mm. But it appears very well built and is a gorgeous carbine (sorry 995). Aside from maybe swapping out the safety, and running to PA for mags, the Evo seems really cool. I just can't wait to break it in. As I plan to eventually hand it down, I will probably get a 9mm AR upper, if we are allowed by the crown to keep our Automatic Rifle 15s, even if only fully SEMI automatic. I really have grown to like the PCCs. As previously stated, most ranges allow them as well.

g8tr · Feb 27, 2019

Thanks, all. I think the Scorpion will be the next purchase...and then the .300 blk upper...and then... :party29:

g8tr · Feb 27, 2019

outrider58 said:
OK. But we're talking about guns now, right?

Yes, and the fact that my choice for a response to those trying to take our guns away is to buy more guns. They can always disappear in a freak boating accident

Magnumite · Feb 28, 2019

All these darn boating accidents...I need to consider dredging the waters...

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