Disappointing Hogan the Best Option in Anti-Gun Maryland

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  • East2West

    Banned
    BANNED!!!
    Jul 20, 2013
    902
    Nomalley, Nobama
    Sorry for taking you literally at "every step of the way"

    I'd rather return to the days when Republicans didn't sacrifice rights for cheaper tolls, and less increases(not cuts) in taxes.
     

    Cyndi59

    Active Member
    No, it's the voters who need to change or those who don't embrace Maryland values should move south or west, like capitalist industry and freedom-loving people have been doing for decades.

    Hogan as a liberal Republican was the best Republican the R's could run in MD. He won, and broke records. Anybody more conservative wouldn't have gotten a first term, let alone reelected.

    Notice how most of the great firearms manufacturers were founded in New England and either moved south or disappeared? Beretta finally gave up on Maryland under O'Mao as the tyrants' control spread south and cracked down on civil liberties.

    Virginia was so naive it let itself get the double whammy: NOVA growth explosion and flim-flammed by the Clintonistas and Hillary's moneyman, McAuliffe.

    Next stop: NC and/or TN.
    Knows what you mean..really but I'm not letting the liberals deny my rights,
    my sidearms are not sitting in my safe rusting away..
     

    Jim12

    Let Freedom Ring
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 30, 2013
    33,876
    Knows what you mean..really but I'm not letting the liberals deny my rights,
    my sidearms are not sitting in my safe rusting away..

    Good on 'ya. There were a couple of times I thought about moving and/or retiring to VA, but that's unlikely now given recent changes. It's becoming more like Maryland, and not in a good way. NOVA, anyway.
     

    Abacab

    Member
    Sep 10, 2009
    2,644
    MD
    Good on 'ya. There were a couple of times I thought about moving and/or retiring to VA, but that's unlikely now given recent changes. It's becoming more like Maryland, and not in a good way. NOVA, anyway.

    Virginia is gone. If Trump wins in 2020 the Virginia legislature will be totally lost in 2021. West Virginia is better.
     

    j_h_smith

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 28, 2007
    28,516
    The big difference is Trump had both houses of Congress, Hogan has been dealing with a democrat super majority in both houses that has fought him every step of the way over riding every one of his vetoes.

    Hogan pushed hard to pick up 5 seats in the senate which would have allowed his vetos to stick but unfortunately only picked up 2, losing Deb Ray and Gail Bates hurt. Hogan is still a Governor with no power to make significant changes.

    How hard did he really fight for those 5 seats? I'll be honest, I didn't see him fighting for anyone else other than himself later in the year. His Drive For 5 started out early in the election season as a battle cry, but when it really counted, it was no more than a whimper.

    He is/was the lesser of 2 evils.
     

    Abacab

    Member
    Sep 10, 2009
    2,644
    MD
    How hard did he really fight for those 5 seats? I'll be honest, I didn't see him fighting for anyone else other than himself later in the year. His Drive For 5 started out early in the election season as a battle cry, but when it really counted, it was no more than a whimper.

    He is/was the lesser of 2 evils.

    I had never heard of it until two days ago.
     

    RoadDawg

    Nos nostraque Deo
    Dec 6, 2010
    94,187
    So you weren't one that was involved in the socialist shaming of others that were expressing a desire to vote Quinn or write-in, putting forward the specious argument that by voting Quinn or write-in, that Jealous would win? And if you weren't, are you denying that this didn't occur?

    And I'm pretty sure there was more of the shaming and belittling of this alternative opinion to Hogan before there was reciprocal mocking of those who advocated Hogan and couldn't help themselves but also put down others that didn't. I have no problem with Hogan support but suggesting that one is a socialist if you didn't support the guy was a dumb argument.

    Hogan had such a commanding lead (nothing like Trump and Clinton) that it was realistically a one person race. To suggest if MDSers didn't support him that he might lose was a ridiculous assertion by those that made it.



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    Nothing I posted on the topic was ever intended to shame anyone for their choice of who to vote for. I never attempted to shame anyone for voting. My posts were intended to cause folks to think about the value of their vote and how it could hurt us if it allowed a pure socialism driven candidate become our governor.

    In fact... I submitted posts against the idea of shaming/name calling other MDS members.

    If Quinn had stood a chance of beating jealous... I would have used my vote for him. But alas... with .06% of the vote in the state... he never had a farts chance in a gentle breeze. And I was all about STOPPING jealous and his socialist entourage.
     

    inkd

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 4, 2009
    7,512
    Ridge
    Nothing I posted on the topic was ever intended to shame anyone for their choice of who to vote for. I never attempted to shame anyone for voting. My posts were intended to cause folks to think about the value of their vote and how it could hurt us if it allowed a pure socialism driven candidate become our governor.

    In fact... I submitted posts against the idea of shaming/name calling other MDS members.

    If Quinn had stood a chance of beating jealous... I would have used my vote for him. But alas... with .06% of the vote in the state... he never had a farts chance in a gentle breeze. And I was all about STOPPING jealous and his socialist entourage.

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    MDFF2008

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 12, 2008
    24,735
    How hard did he really fight for those 5 seats? I'll be honest, I didn't see him fighting for anyone else other than himself later in the year. His Drive For 5 started out early in the election season as a battle cry, but when it really counted, it was no more than a whimper.

    He is/was the lesser of 2 evils.

    This is a valid point. While I did see some signs showing Hogan endorsements, there was all this talk of his massive war chest, but in the end, did he really leave it all on the table to win down ticket elections?
     

    fidelity

    piled higher and deeper
    MDS Supporter
    Aug 15, 2012
    22,400
    Frederick County
    Nothing I posted on the topic was ever intended to shame anyone for their choice of who to vote for. I never attempted to shame anyone for voting. My posts were intended to cause folks to think about the value of their vote and how it could hurt us if it allowed a pure socialism driven candidate become our governor.

    In fact... I submitted posts against the idea of shaming/name calling other MDS members.

    If Quinn had stood a chance of beating jealous... I would have used my vote for him. But alas... with .06% of the vote in the state... he never had a farts chance in a gentle breeze. And I was all about STOPPING jealous and his socialist entourage.

    You might not have said it, but it was said repeatedly that a vote that wasn't for Hogan would make it easier for Jealous to win, and thus people were supporting a socialist. This was a false narrative, as the odds of Jealous winning were very very small when we got close to election time.

    This wasn't Trump v Clinton which you, I, and a few others realized that Trump had a reasonable shot, but Hogan v the rest of the field in which the state and national Democratic party threw the towel in on Jealous. Jealous wasn't a threat to Hogan during election week. It was a pretty easy prediction that Hogan would walk away big. Jealous did much worse than Brown did in 2014, and this was no surprise. Hogan was/is a very popular incumbent.

    If one looks at Frosh v Wolf (approx 2.1 million total votes), Wolf got 750k of the total. It's probably safe to assume that these were mostly Republican voters, and the vast majority voted for Hogan. With Hogan v the rest, there was approx 2.1 million total votes as well with Hogan getting 1.2 million. If 750k were Republicans/Conservative leaning independents/libertarians based on the Wolf vote, then there were 450k Democrats/Left leaning independents that supported Hogan. All of MDS and 100k lurkers could have voted for someone other than Hogan (socialist lite) or Jealous (fully caffeinated socialist), and Hogan's win would have still been bigger than in 2014. Fully caffeinated socialist would still have been stopped.

    Voting for someone other than Hogan or Jealous could simply be a rejection of both. One might be able to mathematically claim that it actually fractionally helped Hogan more than Jealous, but I do get the logical argument you are making, which has greater merit if the race was a tight one.

    If it weren't for Hogan throwing support to Obamacare, endorsing an expansion of free college tuition, and promising future gun regulations, I don't think voting for Hogan would have given folks much consternation. You expressed the same ambivalence and said your vote was against Jealous and not necessarily for Hogan. I don't have a problem with this. However, I think it was also reasonable to argue that it was a one person race, so folks didn't have to vote for socialist lite.

    Just like I'm sure that plenty of people here voted for Wolf because he was the best option despite being a long shot, folks voted their conscience when it came to the Governor's race. When the GOP candidate has called for further Kavanaugh investigations, wrote in his dad instead of Trump in 2016, and expressed support for many Democratic party positions, some people here opted not to support him. Hogan is clearly a mixed bag as a candidate, and sadly perhaps the best one can get as a "Republican" in Maryland, so I don't begrudge people for supporting him. It was the throwing of shade at folks that were in the minority opinion when it came to Hogan support here by saying that they would be helping elect the full blown socialist (simply because Hogan lost their vote through his actions) that was regrettable in my opinion.

    Only commenting/replying because I see this heated up in another thread, and perhaps it's time to move forward.
     

    Art3

    Eqinsu Ocha
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 30, 2015
    13,267
    Harford County
    You might not have said it, but it was said repeatedly that a vote that wasn't for Hogan would make it easier for Jealous to win, and thus people were supporting a socialist. This was a false narrative, as the odds of Jealous winning were very very small when we got close to election time.

    This wasn't Trump v Clinton which you, I, and a few others realized that Trump had a reasonable shot, but Hogan v the rest of the field in which the state and national Democratic party threw the towel in on Jealous. Jealous wasn't a threat to Hogan during election week. It was a pretty easy prediction that Hogan would walk away big. Jealous did much worse than Brown did in 2014, and this was no surprise. Hogan was/is a very popular incumbent.

    If one looks at Frosh v Wolf (approx 2.1 million total votes), Wolf got 750k of the total. It's probably safe to assume that these were mostly Republican voters, and the vast majority voted for Hogan. With Hogan v the rest, there was approx 2.1 million total votes as well with Hogan getting 1.2 million. If 750k were Republicans/Conservative leaning independents/libertarians based on the Wolf vote, then there were 450k Democrats/Left leaning independents that supported Hogan. All of MDS and 100k lurkers could have voted for someone other than Hogan (socialist lite) or Jealous (fully caffeinated socialist), and Hogan's win would have still been bigger than in 2014. Fully caffeinated socialist would still have been stopped.

    Voting for someone other than Hogan or Jealous could simply be a rejection of both. One might be able to mathematically claim that it actually fractionally helped Hogan more than Jealous, but I do get the logical argument you are making, which has greater merit if the race was a tight one.

    If it weren't for Hogan throwing support to Obamacare, endorsing an expansion of free college tuition, and promising future gun regulations, I don't think voting for Hogan would have given folks much consternation. You expressed the same ambivalence and said your vote was against Jealous and not necessarily for Hogan. I don't have a problem with this. However, I think it was also reasonable to argue that it was a one person race, so folks didn't have to vote for socialist lite.

    Just like I'm sure that plenty of people here voted for Wolf because he was the best option despite being a long shot, folks voted their conscience when it came to the Governor's race. When the GOP candidate has called for further Kavanaugh investigations, wrote in his dad instead of Trump in 2016, and expressed support for many Democratic party positions, some people here opted not to support him. Hogan is clearly a mixed bag as a candidate, and sadly perhaps the best one can get as a "Republican" in Maryland, so I don't begrudge people for supporting him. It was the throwing of shade at folks that were in the minority opinion when it came to Hogan support here by saying that they would be helping elect the full blown socialist (simply because Hogan lost their vote through his actions) that was regrettable in my opinion.

    Only commenting/replying because I see this heated up in another thread, and perhaps it's time to move forward.

    AMEN! I don't even 100% agree with everything you said, but, considering that the election is over and this thread has devolved into straight trolling of an increasingly personal nature that has even spilled over into your thread on the subject, I think this is a great place to put the lock.
     

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