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Old November 8th, 2018, 08:19 PM #21
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Correct me if im wrong, but its not enough just to have a heavy barrel. You need to take off flash suppressor + ability to mount one. Get yourself a "muzzle break"
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Old November 8th, 2018, 08:35 PM #22
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Correct me if im wrong, but its not enough just to have a heavy barrel. You need to take off flash suppressor + ability to mount one. Get yourself a "muzzle break"
You are wrong.
The flash hider only matters if you were to have a folding stock
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Old November 8th, 2018, 09:09 PM #23
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Correct me if im wrong, but its not enough just to have a heavy barrel. You need to take off flash suppressor + ability to mount one. Get yourself a "muzzle break"
You are wrong.

A gun is banned in Maryland if:

*It is on the "named" list or is a copy of a rifle on that list OR
*It fails the "copycat assault weapon" test, which means it
* Is a centerfire, semi-automatic rifle capable of accepting detachable magazines, AND
*Is less than 29" in OAL OR
*It has more than one of:
*A flash suppressor
*A grenade launcher
*A folding (NOT collapsible) Stock

There is nothing at all in our law about the "ability to mount" a flash suppressor. Having a flash suppressor only matters if it's a centerfire, semi-automatic rifle that accepts detachable magazines and which also has either a folding (not collapsible) stock or a grenade launcher (not a lug, an actual launcher).
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Old November 8th, 2018, 09:16 PM #24
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This is the barrel I installed on my standard upp to make it legal. It's OK but ungodly nose heavy.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/oem-...h-bar-psa.html

Going to order one of these and weld the muzzle device on it. The 14.7 SOCOM rifle is MSP approved, go figure.
https://www.armsunlimited.com/Colt-M...-p/sp65054.htm

I turned my scary standard 16" barrel down and repurposed it as a 10.5" pistol build.
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Old November 9th, 2018, 08:23 AM #25
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Do any of the legislators see how stupid this law is? Can you explain how an HBAR would fire differently from a non-Hbar?
ONE MORE TIME.

The list goes back to the late 80s, and was Federal law from 1994 - 2004.

The Colt Match Sporter HBAR was exempted from the Federal ban, because it was a target rifle, and the left wanted to show it was not against "legitimate" use of firearms such as hunting and target shooting.

The Colt Match Sporter HBAR was the ONLY target AR-15 available at the time. But the laws mentioned copies and imitations.

When MD passed FSA2013, MD State Police, under the copies and imitations clause, determined that any HBAR was exempt from the ban.

It is not about lethality or anything. It was that match firearms were not banned back in the day.
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Old November 9th, 2018, 08:25 AM #26
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Just get ANY HBAR upper. ONLY have the HBAR upper on the rifle any time you are in MD.

If you go shooting outside MD, take your original upper, enjoy, but make SURE you put the HBAR upper back on before returning to MD.

If you later move out of MD, feel free to sell your upper to another poor soul moving to MD.
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This is the barrel I installed on my standard upp to make it legal. It's OK but ungodly nose heavy.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/oem-...h-bar-psa.html
This is the one I have. It's a decent barrel. Nice to see they have them in stock.
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Old November 9th, 2018, 09:11 AM #28
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Do any of the legislators see how stupid this law is? Can you explain how an HBAR would fire differently from a non-Hbar?
Would it kill fewer Students, people of color, and Handicapped people? WHoops, forgot women and LGBT XYZ types.

And to answer the OP, Rock River sells uppers and I have 2 but never fired them, but they look legit, might have to
take a punch and stake some nuts...they went in the 'build box' with all the other lowers I bought before 2013
$475 or so, surely Hbars couldn't be much more.
The ban on AR15's is where to focus your angst. Be HAPPY there's an "HBAR exception", no matter the (non) logic behind it.
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Old November 9th, 2018, 09:57 AM #29
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Order the barrel 'kit' from Windham Weaponry that is MD compliant.

Upper receiver block. Barrel wrench. Torque wrench. Bench vise.
Proper grease (off the top of my head I can't remember name/number).

About an hour of time. A little patience.

That's all that's needed.
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ONE MORE TIME.

The list goes back to the late 80s, and was Federal law from 1994 - 2004.
No it wasn't. The Maryland ban list is totally separate from what was the Federal ban.

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The Colt Match Sporter HBAR was exempted from the Federal ban,
Not by name, though.

The "named list" in the old Federal ban was this:

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Originally Posted by H.R. 355, 103rd US Congress
(b) Definition of Semiautomatic Assault Weapon.--Section 921(a) of
title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the
following new paragraph:
``(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means--
``(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the
firearms in any caliber, known as--
``(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat
Kalashnikovs (all models);
``(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and
Galil;
``(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
``(iv) Colt AR-15;
``(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
``(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
``(vii) Steyr AUG;
``(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
``(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to)
the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
``(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a
detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
``(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
``(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath
the action of the weapon;
``(iii) a bayonet mount;
``(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to
accommodate a flash suppressor; and
``(v) a grenade launcher;

The key here was that, at the time, the interpretation of "or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber" was exact copies, kind of like an even more strict version of the current MSP "interchangeable parts" interpretation. The HBAR Sporter was allowed because it was determined not to be an "exact copy" of the original Colt AR-15 in the named list since it lacked certain features and passed the feature test that's lower down in the copy above.

The Maryland named ban list actually predates the Federal ban. Maryland created the category of "Regulated Firearms" in 1989, and THAT is where the list of formerly Regulated / now banned rifles comes from. The original text of the bill that created the category of Regulated Firearms was even more strict than the list we ended up with, (and Peter Franchot pushed it hard) but it was amended with "help" from law enforcement officials and that's when the exemption for the HBAR got put in place.

That list got enacted in 1989 as the "Regulated Firearms" list, and the text of that list was copy / pasted in to FSA2013 when they wrote that to ban all of those rifles, so the HBAR exemption was brought over.

So Maryland's banned rifle list has nothing to do with the Federal 1994 AWB, and in fact pre-dates it.
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