Help IDing this rifle
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I believe it is what's called a Hawken design or Mountain design.
- Jul 29, 2014
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White oak 2 1/4 x 3/4 builder's grade(Pretty tight considering the grade).
Oooohhhhh. You meant the rifle.
Looks like a Hawkins?
Oooohhhhh. You meant the rifle.
Looks like a Hawkins?
White oak 2 1/4 x 3/4 builder's grade(Pretty tight considering the grade).
Oooohhhhh. You meant the rifle.
Looks like a Hawkins?
I prefer #2 grade on my oak. It has more character, but still can be finished and installed smooth without a lot of rejects. I think with my kitchen and dinning room we only had about 3% rejects out of the boards.
But #3 is so dang pretty, but a lot of work to get it assembled and finished smooth. Great for a workshop.
I'd agree, the rifle looks like a Hawkins.
bigdv
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It looks like an AR AK ASSAULT RIFLE.
Doco Overboard
Ultimate Member
Looks like a Tryon rifle with a back action original lock. Could have been re-made around the 50's with some original parts or more towards original but with some brass replacement parts. In it's original form I believe it would have displayed more iron furniture. Looks like a nice rifle to me.
Everyone know sidelocks were originally military issue. Who needs a sidelock. No one, that's who!
Threeband
The M1 Does My Talking
Not every muzzleloader is a Hawken. That one certainly isn't. Most people had no use for a big heavy rifle designed for hunting buffalo or Rocky Mountain elk and grizzlies.
A Hawken would have two wedges holding the barrel to the fore end, not a single pin. Hawken type/Great Plains type rifles would have a thick, heavy barrel, and a fixed sight. Not a back action lock, which weakens the stock at it's weakest point.
That looks like a nice generic half stock sporting rifle with a back action lock and an adjustable rear sight. What caliber? Even a ruler will give you an idea, 3/8"or less? Less than 1/2"?
Any markings on the barrel or lock?
A Hawken would have two wedges holding the barrel to the fore end, not a single pin. Hawken type/Great Plains type rifles would have a thick, heavy barrel, and a fixed sight. Not a back action lock, which weakens the stock at it's weakest point.
That looks like a nice generic half stock sporting rifle with a back action lock and an adjustable rear sight. What caliber? Even a ruler will give you an idea, 3/8"or less? Less than 1/2"?
Any markings on the barrel or lock?
Threeband
The M1 Does My Talking
Who made the paper cartridges? Sporting rifles were usually loaded with a loose ball and patch. Seems to me a paper cartridge would require a drastically undersized ball, smaller than used with a cloth patch, anyway. Very odd.
Ranchero50
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Interesting image of a hunter going after fowl on the lock plate.
dreadpirate
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That stock design looks dangerous; needs to be regulated.
It was my aunts fathers rifle, whom just passed away. Maybe it was a homemade rifle? No markings or the barrel or action to designate manufacturer.
I'd assume that her father made them, but I will never know for certain. Ball diameter is .345"
Below is a picture of the mic'd ball
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Threeband
The M1 Does My Talking
.345 is small bore. He may have used it on deer, but it's on the light side.
By contrast, a Buffalo-and-Grizzly-thumping-Hawken would probably be .54.
I'm sure he found the cartridges convenient. I just seems the paper would make an inconsistent patch, prone to tearing. Perhaps he threw the entire paper away, and used a separate cloth patch. I'm sure it worked for him, however he did it.
Is the bullet end of the cartridge lubricated? Dipped in tallow or grease? That would mean it acted as the patch, and was loaded with the ball.
I'm sure he tore the paper open and poured the powder down the barrel, then probably tore off the excess paper, loading just the ball with the remaining lubricated paper, or else threw away all the paper and used a separate cloth patch, perhaps lubed with spit. The patches included in the patch box lend weight to that speculation.
Interesting cartridges. I'd like a closer look at how they're made. They almost look sewn.
Beautiful rifle, and appears in great shape.
Threeband
The M1 Does My Talking
You might post your pictures at http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/
They are all about traditional muzzleloaders there.
They are all about traditional muzzleloaders there.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
The back action lock and small bore size makes me think it's a target rifle.
Back action locks are thought to be faster.
Faster lock time leads to better accuracy.
Back action locks are thought to be faster.
Faster lock time leads to better accuracy.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
Put something between the nipple and the hammer to soften the blow and lessen damage to the nipple.
Leather works well.
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