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  • Bigfoot21075

    Ultimate Member
    Nov 3, 2008
    1,404
    Elkridge, MD
    Is it legal for me to store someone else's firearms collection at my residence for an undetermined amount of time?
     

    danb

    dont be a dumbass
    Feb 24, 2013
    22,704
    google is your friend, I am not.
    What's in the collection? Regulated firearms? NFA items? Why are we storing them, is this a G Gordon Liddy type situation? If your house burns down or broken into who is responsible? Are they insured?
     

    Bigfoot21075

    Ultimate Member
    Nov 3, 2008
    1,404
    Elkridge, MD
    What's in the collection? Regulated firearms? NFA items? Why are we storing them, is this a G Gordon Liddy type situation? If your house burns down or broken into who is responsible? Are they insured?

    It is a variety of legal weapons, some made from 80% kits, several long guns nothing the average Joe couldn't own. I am storing them because another person at the residence is prohibited from having them.

    As to the responsibilities - I am not sure of the law on that either, I would keep them in my safe of course. They are not insured, but the owner is not concerned about that.
     

    Doctor_M

    Certified Mad Scientist
    MDS Supporter
    As far as I'm aware, there are no laws that would prohibit the storage of a friends collection. If I were you, though, and you want to keep your friendship, draw up some sort of memorandum of understanding that lays out the details that are described above and holds you harmless in the event that something happens to the value of his property.
     

    TexDefender

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 28, 2017
    1,572
    This of course is not legal advice, but a personal opinion. If none of the firearms are Regulated or NFA items, I see no problem. My suggestion would you both document that this was agreed upon storage and listing the serial numbers, make and model. I say this for a couple of reasons, in case, god forbid, you get robbed or there is a falling out.
     

    eruby

    Confederate Jew
    MDS Supporter
    Same as it ever was .....



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    Mightydog

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    This of course is not legal advice, but a personal opinion. If none of the firearms are Regulated or NFA items, I see no problem. My suggestion would you both document that this was agreed upon storage and listing the serial numbers, make and model. I say this for a couple of reasons, in case, god forbid, you get robbed or there is a falling out.


    Don’t forget to add the stipulation that “these are NOT insured” as the OP stated above.....just in case.
     

    Bigfoot21075

    Ultimate Member
    Nov 3, 2008
    1,404
    Elkridge, MD
    This of course is not legal advice, but a personal opinion. If none of the firearms are Regulated or NFA items, I see no problem. My suggestion would you both document that this was agreed upon storage and listing the serial numbers, make and model. I say this for a couple of reasons, in case, god forbid, you get robbed or there is a falling out.

    There are handguns of course and they are regulated.
     

    danb

    dont be a dumbass
    Feb 24, 2013
    22,704
    google is your friend, I am not.
    This is the new law on "loans" of regulated firearms which takes effect Oct 2019: http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2019RS/bills/sb/sb0346e.pdf

    Question: See section about the "certified firearms safety training course conducted free of charge by the Police Training and Standards Commission or that meets standards established by the Police Training and Standards Commission under § 3–207 of this article."

    If you have HQL or W&C you are GTG for this section.


    nevermind, I see that they snuck in "is the borrower " at the bottom. lol.

    Just to be on the safe side, to make sure you satisfy b(1)-b(15) I'd go out and buy a shiny new firearm just to make sure you can still pass the check.;)
     

    daggo66

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 31, 2013
    1,992
    Glen Burnie
    I swear that the MGA uses the stupid shit we make up to regulate ourselves to come up the laws that are just as stupid, I've said more than once that we are our own worst enemy.
     

    OMCHamlin

    Ultimate Member
    BANNED!!!
    May 17, 2017
    1,115
    The Cumberland Plateau
    It is a variety of legal weapons, some made from 80% kits, several long guns nothing the average Joe couldn't own. I am storing them because another person at the residence is prohibited from having them.

    As to the responsibilities - I am not sure of the law on that either, I would keep them in my safe of course. They are not insured, but the owner is not concerned about that.

    I am storing them because another person at the residence is prohibited from having them.
    Question: When you say "the residence", you mean a different residence, right? Not a case of multiple residents sharing the same house, and you are now storing them in the same house for a prohibited person, right? Just to be clear.
    Also, I guarantee you that the owner that is "not concerned" NOW about them getting stolen, will become MUCH more concerned if they actually DO get stolen. Just something to think about, maybe get a "hold harmless" document signed by both parties.
     

    Bigfoot21075

    Ultimate Member
    Nov 3, 2008
    1,404
    Elkridge, MD
    I am storing them because another person at the residence is prohibited from having them.
    Question: When you say "the residence", you mean a different residence, right? Not a case of multiple residents sharing the same house, and you are now storing them in the same house for a prohibited person, right? Just to be clear.
    Also, I guarantee you that the owner that is "not concerned" NOW about them getting stolen, will become MUCH more concerned if they actually DO get stolen. Just something to think about, maybe get a "hold harmless" document signed by both parties.

    The residence is a single family home with a married couple living in it. One can't have the guns so they want me to store them until that issue is resolved. He has been an unwavering friend for 50 years - I am 52 now. I would really like to help him in ANY WAY I can.

    The point is moot though, I talked to my security officer about it, she advised not to get involved in this way because of the loose and ever changing language in Maryland law. I can't afford to rock the boat.
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    32,881
    It's not totally open ended, but you should be ok to do so at least until Oct 1, 2020 .
     

    TexDefender

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 28, 2017
    1,572
    There are handguns of course and they are regulated.
    Ok. I don't have the law in front of me, I can't look it up. So let me give a hypothetical situation. An individual gets robbed and as any dutiful and responsible owner they report it. During the course of criminal investigation it is revealed that the individual was storing regulated handguns for an individual as well as his own. These handguns in question are not the same. My concern revolves around the magazine capacity of the weapons and the wording of the law regarding magazines. If one just stored the weapons and the owner kept the magazines (assuming these are greater than 10 rounds), I don't see how this could be misconstrued and transfer. Or if the agreement clearly states the parties agree this is just for long term storage and is not a sale or a gift. Things like this can get extremely complicated quickly. I think your security officer gave some god advise as.well.

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    Bigfoot21075

    Ultimate Member
    Nov 3, 2008
    1,404
    Elkridge, MD
    Ok. I don't have the law in front of me, I can't look it up. So let me give a hypothetical situation. An individual gets robbed and as any dutiful and responsible owner they report it. During the course of criminal investigation it is revealed that the individual was storing regulated handguns for an individual as well as his own. These handguns in question are not the same. My concern revolves around the magazine capacity of the weapons and the wording of the law regarding magazines. If one just stored the weapons and the owner kept the magazines (assuming these are greater than 10 rounds), I don't see how this could be misconstrued and transfer. Or if the agreement clearly states the parties agree this is just for long term storage and is not a sale or a gift. Things like this can get extremely complicated quickly. I think your security officer gave some god advise as.well.

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    I appreciate the thought - but it is not illegal to possess "high capacity" magazines in Maryland.
     

    ras_oscar

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 23, 2014
    1,666
    So, If I read through all the insertions and deletions of the "new" loan language, they have just added loan and borrow to the existing law regarding transfer.

    If I know a person well and to the best of my knowledge and belief they are not prohibited from owning firearms, I am permitted to loan them same as before.

    I regularly go to the range, and occasionally take my son's firearms while he is not present. Similarly, he frequently goes to the range and occasionally takes mine while I am not present. I don't think any court would determine that I don't know him well.
     

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