Complete the 4473 in person, but not available in retail stores? Explain please.
CMP 1911s update
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rdc
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They have done lotteries for things in the past like the Advanced Armorors course. I thought they did a lottery for the IHC release a few years ago but I might be wrong.
Clifjr
Active Member
You would be completeing the 4473 at the FFL that’s transferring the 1911 in person. Not at a CMP store.
Yep. That makes it a pass for me. If I add the value of my time to what they are going to cost, it is not worth it for me.
Bertfish
Throw bread on me
They have the ability to not use an 01FFL, its a BS requirement that they just decided to toss in for the hell of it. Maybe cause "pistols are scary". I wonder if they have any backing in Federal law or CMP regulation for this requirement or if they just arbitrarily decided?
That is not true. CMP is not chartered to direct ship pistols.
Bertfish
Throw bread on me
So this is in Federal law somewhere? I'm genuinely wondering if they have justification for the decision
Clifjr
Active Member
Please remember that this notice is a “preliminary” and not written in stone yet! It still may be a year or so before anyone can order one and a lot can change in that time frame!
the cmp is not an ffl. They are an anomaly in firearms law. They are granted special powers through their congressional charter to transfer firearms (only specified types: garands, carbines, o3's o3a3's, 17 enfields, 22 trainers, etc) across state lines to non ffl's. That's something FFL's can't do.
To direct ship pistols would require congressional modification of their charter.
Would you honestly want congress messing around with that?
Doco Overboard
Ultimate Member
Nope
You are saying that CMP can't do something (ship direct to an FFL-03) that a private citizen can do. You don't need to be an FFL to ship to a C&R.
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Abulg1972
Ultimate Member
The CMP sucks. They have gone way down hill since Orest retired and will never get another dollar from me. I got a nice, correct Remington-Rand for less that CMP customers will pay. 2 NICS checks and no 03 FFL? I’m done.
Abulg1972
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Abulg1972
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Abulg1972
Ultimate Member
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
36 USC 40722
(5) to issue, loan, or sell firearms, ammunition, repair parts, and other supplies under sections 40731 and 40732 of this title
36 USC 40732
(a)Affiliated Organizations.—
The corporation may sell, at fair market value ... caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 surplus pistols[.]
No charter change required. No change in the law required. No need to ignore the GCA of 1968 and the fact that an 03 FFL is a real thing.
somd_mustangs
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- Jul 1, 2012
- 5,736
meh, screw this...
Not shipping to an FFL-03 is a big drawback, I can see why they don't want to since it isn't as easy to verify, but there's ways to mitigate that.
the few decent ones (e.g. correct/matching/original) will be expensive, even if you lucked out and were in the first random few that are given a choice.
I expect these will be much more carefully scrutinized for rarity etc than things have been in the past.
I'd rather just see exactly what I'm getting from a <gasp> dealer or private seller and get one on my -03.
Prediction **: chaos and mountains of butt-hurt, whining and gnashing of teeth once this goes "live".
** hey someone's gotta do it now that Fred's gone.
Not shipping to an FFL-03 is a big drawback, I can see why they don't want to since it isn't as easy to verify, but there's ways to mitigate that.
the few decent ones (e.g. correct/matching/original) will be expensive, even if you lucked out and were in the first random few that are given a choice.
I expect these will be much more carefully scrutinized for rarity etc than things have been in the past.
I'd rather just see exactly what I'm getting from a <gasp> dealer or private seller and get one on my -03.
Prediction **: chaos and mountains of butt-hurt, whining and gnashing of teeth once this goes "live".
** hey someone's gotta do it now that Fred's gone.
Abulg1972
Ultimate Member
Why is a 1911 different from a Garand? They haven’t verified crap with Garands except in states that require it. I’m stumped.
Blacksmith101
Grumpy Old Man
- Jun 22, 2012
- 22,288
First go around they are supposed to get 10,000 pistols, they have 250,000 customers. They will sell every last pistol at whatever reasonable price they decide to charge no matter what rules they impose. You don't like the rules that is OK with me because it increases my chance of getting one.
Abulg1972
Ultimate Member
I will increase your chances of getting a piece of junk because I won’t be giving another penny to this government organization. I have a nice Rem-Rand that’s correct and for which I paid less than what you will pay for one from the CMP. Smart collectors will focus on buying nice examples now before the market is flooded with rattletraps bearing CMP certificates.
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