Whalen v Handgun Permit Review Board Appeal Brief Filed

Blacksmith101 · Nov 10, 2019

Biggfoot44 said:
For the benefit of Seeker, and anyone else not up to speed; on MDS we have two continual running punchlines for all occasions :

1. Two Weeks
2. 3%

Go ahead and give them the historical significance of each.

Biggfoot44 · Nov 10, 2019

1. Dating back to 2013 , and the backlogs of 77Rs , the word was always that things would be approved " in about two weeks " . They weren't . Evolved into the MDS equivalent of " Manana " .

2. A famous former member ( actually nice guy in person ) , when discussing muzzleloader projectiles specifically , and anything lead related generally , would always put forth " But it would be better with 3% antimony " .

fabsroman · Nov 10, 2019

Biggfoot44 said:
1. Dating back to 2013 , and the backlogs of 77Rs , the word was always that things would be approved " in about two weeks " . They weren't . Evolved into the MDS equivalent of " Manana " .

2. A famous former member ( actually nice guy in person ) , when discussing muzzleloader projectiles specifically , and anything lead related generally , would always put forth " But it would be better with 3% antimony " .

#2 has a little more to the story than that. The guy started a thread about how well his homemade sabots were mushrooming. Somebody asked the guy if his sabots were pure lead and he replied that they were actually 3% antimony. In a subsequent post he went ahead and outlined how he mixes the lead in a melting pot. He used 2 bars of pure lead and 1 bar of 3% antimony lead. A math lesson ensued about how he was getting 1% antimony sabots from that mixture and not 3% antimony sabots, and he insisted that they were 3% antimony sabots. Same guy was reloading rounds for his friend's .300 RUM and then mentioned in another post about how his friend's .300 RUM blew up on a Colorado hunt.

Same guy made a deal with me for some reloading brass that he was selling. We came to an agreed upon price for the brass with shipping. Then, he PM'ed me back and told me that some other guys were also interested in the brass and that I would have to give him more money if I wanted it. Told him to sell it to the other guy. That is about all I can remember about SOMDSHOOT.

He very well could be the nicest guy in person. Sharpest tool in the shed?

Edit to add: I had to go and find the thread. Wanted to read it again for giggles.

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?p=1886159#poststop

PJDiesel · Nov 11, 2019

Fox123 · Nov 11, 2019

PJDiesel said:
I'm pretty sure the 2 weeks thing existed back into Woollard.

This.

2weeks was the timeline when waiting for original Woollard decision.

“When is the decision due out?”

2 weeks

Steel Hunter · Nov 11, 2019

esqappellate said:
I will be ordering the transcript today. It will take awhile.

Thank you. With any luck you will have it before Mr. Whalen has his permit.

Kharn · Nov 11, 2019

PJDiesel said:
I'm pretty sure the 2 weeks thing existed back into Woollard.

I think it is a term borrowed from CalGuns, every timeline has been "two weeks" for many years over there.

Mark75H · Nov 11, 2019

Kharn said:
I think it is a term borrowed from CalGuns, every timeline has been "two weeks" for many years over there.

I saw it here before I started seeing it over there

hooligan82 · Nov 11, 2019

G O B · Nov 11, 2019

"That singular geographic oddity that is exactly 2 weeks from everywhere".

F5guy · Nov 11, 2019

CypherPunk said:
Can anyone near Annapolis with $10 stop by the court and get a copy of the audio before they close at 4:30 today?

Here is the info you will need:

Maryland Court of Special Appeals
361 Rowe Blvd
Annapolis, MD 21401
410-260-1450
Hours: 8:30 A.M. - 4:30 P.M.

Monday, November 4, 2019
Case# CSA-REG-2431-2018
Edward H. Whalen v. Handgun Permit Review Board
Judges: Wells, Presiding, Shaw Geter, Zarnoch
Courtroom 1

CD Recording $10

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Did anyone go i work close and can scrounge 10 bucks easy enough lmk?

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CypherPunk · Nov 11, 2019

F5guy said:
Did anyone go i work close and can scrounge 10 bucks easy enough lmk?

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No one yet. If you can go I’d be grateful.
I will pm you my cell#. After you get the CDRom, put it in a computer and text me. I can grab it remotely, covert it to .mp3 and upload it so we can listen to the hearing.

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Blacksmith101 · Nov 12, 2019

fabsroman said:
#2 has a little more to the story than that. The guy started a thread about how well his homemade sabots were mushrooming. Somebody asked the guy if his sabots were pure lead and he replied that they were actually 3% antimony. In a subsequent post he went ahead and outlined how he mixes the lead in a melting pot. He used 2 bars of pure lead and 1 bar of 3% antimony lead. A math lesson ensued about how he was getting 1% antimony sabots from that mixture and not 3% antimony sabots, and he insisted that they were 3% antimony sabots. Same guy was reloading rounds for his friend's .300 RUM and then mentioned in another post about how his friend's .300 RUM blew up on a Colorado hunt.

Same guy made a deal with me for some reloading brass that he was selling. We came to an agreed upon price for the brass with shipping. Then, he PM'ed me back and told me that some other guys were also interested in the brass and that I would have to give him more money if I wanted it. Told him to sell it to the other guy. That is about all I can remember about SOMDSHOOT.

He very well could be the nicest guy in person. Sharpest tool in the shed?

Edit to add: I had to go and find the thread. Wanted to read it again for giggles.

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?p=1886159#poststop

Wasn't he also the former member who was using pistol primers in rifle reloads, or vice versa? And was selling reloads without proper licenses?

fabsroman · Nov 12, 2019

Blacksmith101 said:
Wasn't he also the former member who was using pistol primers in rifle reloads, or vice versa? And was selling reloads without proper licenses?

That would be one and the same guy. He was going on and on about how the pistol primers worked just fine in his rifle reloads and was arguing with everybody that he was right. Think 100 people told him he was wrong and he still insisted that he was right.

Don't think he even thought for a second that his reloads were the cause if his buddy's 300 RUM blowing up. He probably thought it was inferior barrel steel or a manufacturing defect on the gun.

Just incredible.

esqappellate · Nov 14, 2019

Stayed tuned. We will be posting the audio of the Whalen argument on the MSI website within the next day or so.

esqappellate · Nov 18, 2019

As promised, the link to the tape of the argument is now up on the MSI website. The audio quality is not great, but this is from the tape made by the clerk of the court so there is not a lot we can do about it. https://www.marylandshallissue.org/jmain/counselor-s-corner

PJDiesel · Nov 18, 2019

Deep Lurker · Nov 18, 2019

No cameras allowed into oral argument before the three-judge panel of the Court of Special Appeals, but it looked exactly like the top picture.

Entire argument and rebuttal for the Plaintiff delivered by the MSI President, including all case citations, without notes.

The two pictures below that are the MSI Men of Law, gathered in front of the Courthouse, where cameras are allowed.

Plaintiff, second from left. Plaintiff’s father, a retired Federal judge, center.

Stoveman · Nov 18, 2019

Spoiler Alert: The Unmade Bed that is Mark Bowen argued that the HPRB has/had the ability to determine if G&S is constitutional. I shit you not. Someone call Judge Smails.

danb · Nov 18, 2019

Mark Bowen doesn't even wipe the Frosh off his ass without permission from, well, Frosh.

Personally I think it would be great if the HPRB decided to step in an issue an appellate type opinion on GS. Frosh would drown in his own Frosh if that happened.

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