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Old December 2nd, 2019, 07:20 PM #31
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I'll gladly pay whatever the 1st and 3rd to 15th amendments cost to utilize. Except I'll stop before the 16th. That's one I pay way too much as a result of.
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Old December 2nd, 2019, 07:28 PM #32
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charge X amount for each license, and the full amount goes to state education funding

Are you new to the state? This was the logic used to pass legalized slots, the legalized table games. The rubes of Maryland (and not just Dem voters) ate this hook, line and sinker. Guess where the money actually goes? Into the general fund. Even if it was ear-marked for education, the state would decrease the amount they put towards education by that same amount, for a net zero. Putting aside whether you should have to pay to exercise a Constitutional right for second, can you see why this wouldn’t work in practice? There’s always a back door...



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Are you new to the state? This was the logic used to pass legalized slots, the legalized table games. The rubes of Maryland (and not just Dem voters) ate this hook, line and sinker. Guess where the money actually goes? Into the general fund. Even if it was ear-marked for education, the state would decrease the amount they put towards education by that same amount, for a net zero. Putting aside whether you should have to pay to exercise a Constitutional right for second, can you see why this wouldn’t work in practice? There’s always a back door...

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Old December 2nd, 2019, 08:07 PM #34
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I"m willing to pay 10 cents per illegal gun possession crime conviction in the city of Baltimore per year.
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Old December 2nd, 2019, 08:19 PM #35
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I can't answer that question until I know exactly what I am paying for.

To clarify, I don't mean the right to CC. I mean what is the actual cost of whatever they are providing: a paper card? a background check? a website with information on legal aspects of CC?

Exactly what service are they providing?

Once I tally the value of all that up, then I will just compare and contrast that to the cost of costitutional carry (which costs nothing).

I'd be willing to pay the lesser of those two values.
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Old December 2nd, 2019, 10:27 PM #36
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Yes, as i stated, it is a violation of individual liberty to require a license for anything really. This definitely includes gun legislation. My question wasn’t whether or not it you’re happy with it. My question was if/how much you’d pay. Compromise is when both sides are equally unhappy.

Hunting licenses pay for a lot of natural resource/environmental goods and services. Why couldn’t this achieve the same goal? Our current political atmosphere is not willing to just hand over CCL’s. I’m just saying offer something of mutual benefit.

If it cost the same as an ATF stamp, that’d be $200. I did a quick search and according to a CBS news thing, gun ownership in Maryland is about 20%. Cut that in half (handgun vs long gun) and of about 6 million residents, that’d be about $120 million per year generated.

My math is just a rough ballpark but you get the picture. Allocate those hundreds of millions of dollars somewhere worthwhile and it’s a noteable argument, like casinos.

Again, I get that it’s ridiculous to have to pay for something that is a fundamental right, but we’re not facing sane, freedom-loving individuals in our state. The anti-gun lobby is powerful, but it’s about convincing moderates that it’s a good idea (not hardcore democrats). Nobody argues with money
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Old December 2nd, 2019, 10:29 PM #37
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And who knows, hypothetically, say they pass something like I am suggesting. What if crime rates go down? Gun violence down? Then you try and make the argument that it’s too expensive or something.
Crime and gun violence has gone down in political districts where there are no qualifiers for the keeping and bearing arms.
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Yes, as i stated, it is a violation of individual liberty to require a license for anything really. This definitely includes gun legislation. My question wasn’t whether or not it you’re happy with it. My question was if/how much you’d pay. Compromise is when both sides are equally unhappy.

Hunting licenses pay for a lot of natural resource/environmental goods and services. Why couldn’t this achieve the same goal? Our current political atmosphere is not willing to just hand over CCL’s. I’m just saying offer something of mutual benefit.

If it cost the same as an ATF stamp, that’d be $200. I did a quick search and according to a CBS news thing, gun ownership in Maryland is about 20%. Cut that in half (handgun vs long gun) and of about 6 million residents, that’d be about $120 million per year generated.

My math is just a rough ballpark but you get the picture. Allocate those hundreds of millions of dollars somewhere worthwhile and it’s a noteable argument, like casinos.

Again, I get that it’s ridiculous to have to pay for something that is a fundamental right, but we’re not facing sane, freedom-loving individuals in our state. The anti-gun lobby is powerful, but it’s about convincing moderates that it’s a good idea (not hardcore democrats). Nobody argues with money


No, just no. The state doesn’t care about money from permits or gun sales. When they passed FSA2013, they did not care one bit about losing tax/business revenue from Beretta and their several hundred employees. They don’t care.
One more thing, the Left doesn’t compromise, neither should we.


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I recently paid $35 to renew my CO permit for another 5 years.

Changes for Indianas carry permits net year...

The legislation eliminates the fee for a five year license, as of 30 June, 2020. The current fee is $40. The application fee for a lifetime license will be reduced from $175 to $125, or $100, if the applicant has a valid Indiana handgun license. Licenses restricted to target shooting or hunting have also had their fees reduced. It appears the current $9.99 fee for fingerprinting may be eliminated.

And with the 5 years license you bypass the NICS check at FFL's.
Fill out your 4473 Federal Form and walk out the door...
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Old December 3rd, 2019, 03:35 AM #40
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Thousands of American soldiers have paid with life limb for our rights as enumerated in the text of the COTUS. I will gladly pay homage to them for their sacrifice and consider, any debt for the right to KABA, paid in full.

The state can ask me to reimburse them for the cost of producing any photo ID that they wish to issue in recognition of the fact that I am not prohibited.
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