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Old September 14th, 2018, 12:48 PM #1
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Sighting the garand, part II

These photos show the final sight adjustments to reach the center at 50 and 25 yds. The 25 yd target with many holes has a grouping ( if you can call it that) just to rightof center and that was with front sight moved over right as shown and no windage adjustment. I did not clean the rear sights. Canít say i am pleased with the need to move that front sight so far right and then adj windage left.
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Old September 14th, 2018, 12:50 PM #2
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And oh yes, this is the continuation of the thread i started 2 weeks ago, having gone to shoot the garand today. The holes in the red are with windage adjustment. The group in the middle target is 25 yds, no windage.
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Wait, wait...

Garand. 25 yards?

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I'm no Garand smith but that don't look right
more like one of those special barrels that shoots around corners.
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I had a problem like that one time when I swapped a VAR barrel onto a 5 point something SA receiver. The problem was exactly opposite what your seeing with your rifle. If I remember correctly each .008 of movement with the FS is roughly 1 moa@ 100 yds with about 11 min possible on the gas cylinder and the components I had on hand. You can do about 16 at the rear sight at the same distance + which seemed to be evident with the pictures on your original post.

What I found was that the barrel was not indexed correctly. I used sight fixture bars, double checked with angle finders and found it was dead plumb but still shot left with mechanical zero unobtanium just the way I wanted it without to much FS towards the left of the gas cylinder. What I did to correct it was to time the barrel just prior to plumb if memory serves on that one.

Maybe someone with more experience can say right off what the problem may be, or if it happens to be and index problem, which way your barrel needs to be turned to get things lined up more to your liking.
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Wait, wait...

Garand. 25 yards?

Yes, is thatntoo long range? i am having a sight issue and trying to get it to center. Started at 25.
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With the rear sight set at the "Battle Sight" position, the point of impact at 25 yards should be the same as 250 yards if I remember correctly.
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Here we go again:

First I suggest you start with a mechanical zero on your Garand. That means having your front sight as close to the center of its base as you can visually get it.
Next: Bring your rear sight set at zero windage up 8 clicks from bottom.
Then: Shoot a group (using the correct Garand sight picture and protocol) at 100 yards.
From there: Adjust elevation and windage with your rear sight -> 1 click = 1" at 100 yards!

You may ultimately need to tweak the position of your front sight to compensate for alignment, but it's your rear sight that adjusts for windage and elevation.

This may help you:
https://www.fulton-armory.com/faqs/M...ighting_in.htm

Regarding "groups", keep in mind a Garand is not a precision rifle. There are simply too many interacting parts that directly connect between the action and barrel assembly for it to ever be. If you can get a group at 2 MOA or less at 100 yards, you have a good shooter.

If all your sight test steps fail and your front sight needs to be hanging off the side to be on center at 100 yards, then you have other issues that should be addressed (barrel/receiver timing, barrel and crown condition etc.). Then it's time to send it to the CMP Custom Shop (and plan on waiting awhile) or take it to a gunsmith locally who knows Garands and has experience with them...



P.S. Clean your rear sight. How are you going to learn how your rifle works and how to maintain it if you shy away from simple maintenance tasks you can and should perform yourself?
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Here we go again:

First I suggest you start with a mechanical zero on your Garand. That means having your front sight as close to the center of its base as you can visually get it.
Next: Bring your rear sight set at zero windage up 8 clicks from bottom.
Then: Shoot a group (using the correct Garand sight picture and protocol) at 100 yards.
From there: Adjust elevation and windage with your rear sight -> 1 click = 1" at 100 yards!

You may ultimately need to tweak the position of your front sight to compensate for alignment, but it's your rear sight that adjusts for windage and elevation.

This may help you:
https://www.fulton-armory.com/faqs/M...ighting_in.htm

Regarding "groups", keep in mind a Garand is not a precision rifle. There are simply too many interacting parts that directly connect between the action and barrel assembly for it to ever be. If you can get a group at 2 MOA or less at 100 yards, you have a good shooter.

If all your sight test steps fail and your front sight needs to be hanging off the side to be on center at 100 yards, then you have other issues that should be addressed (barrel/receiver timing, barrel and crown condition etc.). Then it's time to send it to the CMP Custom Shop (and plan on waiting awhile) or take it to a gunsmith locally who knows Garands and has experience with them...



P.S. Clean your rear sight. How are you going to learn how your rifle works and how to maintain it if you shy away from simple maintenance tasks you can and should perform yourself?
I did what was suggested. Except the sight. Tonight i will take the rear sight apart. There is a gun smith on the upper eastern shore that is familiar. I told him i might see him tomorrow with a handful of parts in pocket.
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With the rear sight set at the "Battle Sight" position, the point of impact at 25 yards should be the same as 250 yards if I remember correctly.


Ah, then thereís that - BZO didnít even occur to me!

Duh.



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