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  • ironpony

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    Jun 8, 2013
    7,191
    Davidsonville
    Yep, let's continue scaring the hell out of everyone with lots of conjecture and some false information....thanks MDS.

    Seems to be standard fare around here


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    My bad, sorry MDS, ignore list is your friend and my screen name is to your left.
     

    PowPow

    Where's the beef?
    Nov 22, 2012
    4,712
    Howard County
    Yep, let's continue scaring the hell out of everyone with lots of conjecture and some false information....thanks MDS.

    In this era of red flag ERPOs (and a guy being killed at his front door at 5am regardless of his actions either misstated, imagined, perceived, or real), we all have a reason to be scared like hell through no faults of our own. That is what they wanted when they passed this law. It's your choice as to how you handle it. I am armed when anyone comes to my door after 10pm. That just happened a few days ago.
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,734
    Socialist State of Maryland
    In this era of red flag ERPOs (and a guy being killed at his front door at 5am regardless of his actions either misstated, imagined, perceived, or real), we all have a reason to be scared like hell through no faults of our own. That is what they wanted when they passed this law. It's your choice as to how you handle it. I am armed when anyone comes to my door after 10pm. That just happened a few days ago.

    If you want to learn the protocols behind police work first hand, why don't you join up and become a Reserve Officer for one of the county police departments. That way, you can learn first hand about the law and provide a public service to your friends and neighbors at the same time. :shrug:
     

    PowPow

    Where's the beef?
    Nov 22, 2012
    4,712
    Howard County
    If you want to learn the protocols behind police work first hand, why don't you join up and become a Reserve Officer for one of the county police departments. That way, you can learn first hand about the law and provide a public service to your friends and neighbors at the same time. :shrug:

    I don't see how anything I've said here is fearmongering, but I'll leave you guys be. I can take a hint.
     

    ironpony

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    Jun 8, 2013
    7,191
    Davidsonville
    AACO PD held a meeting to quell fears, do not talk about it on a gun forum though. I am betting this thread gets closed soon unless we keep our First Amendment to ourselves.
    I guess some think this is a good law and nothing can go wrong , oh wait, too late for one guy. That thread was closed too.

    No one gets along here any more
     

    Bob A

    όυ φροντισ
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    30,691
    Sometimes fears are justified.

    Acting to alter the circumstances which engender those fears, for example by going to Annapolis and interacting with your politicians, can be useful. Absent the fear, the result is likely to be inaction.

    Inaction is what brought us a veto-proof General Assembly.

    Fear is not necessarily a bad thing; it can motivate change.
     

    fred2207

    Banned
    BANNED!!!
    Mar 14, 2013
    3,179
    PG
    I don't see how anything I've said here is fearmongering, but I'll leave you guys be. I can take a hint.



    Nothing you posted is anything close to fear mongering...:thumbsup::thumbsup: We have already seen the sad results of misguided enforcement of this unconstitutional legislation...:sad20:
     

    buellsfurn

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 1, 2015
    5,951
    southern end of Maryland
    just a alike question on topic but not AA county specific so if Lindsay Graham gets his federal red flag law that will pay states for adopting it . I wonder if MD's current red flag will dumbed or will they have a choice
     

    Combloc

    Stop Negassing me!!!!!
    Nov 10, 2010
    7,216
    In a House
    The simple fact is, I'm old enough that many of my rifles are pre-ban bought when Maryland was vastly more free. Now, lots of my legally bought for cash rifles are on the ban list and I have no receipts saying when I bought them. If you add up the value of said rifles, we're talking a fair amount of monetary value. Do you think the tyrants are going to return now banned rifles that I bought legally decades ago when I have no proof of that? Nope. Do you think I'm going to surrender them because my old biddy neighbor sees me loading one in my car for a trip to the range, gets scared and calls the police?? Nope. You can figure out the rest.
     

    Combloc

    Stop Negassing me!!!!!
    Nov 10, 2010
    7,216
    In a House
    I don't think they're after me but I do think I'm one idiot neighbor's call away from getting screwed. The sad part is that I'm a government employee, have security clearances and a pristine record, yet I'm one call away from being an enemy of the state. Modern Amerika is not what I grew up in. You know it's bad when you feel you have to pull into the garage to load up for the range.
     

    fabsroman

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 14, 2009
    35,852
    Winfield/Taylorsville in Carroll
    I don't think they're after me but I do think I'm one idiot neighbor's call away from getting screwed. The sad part is that I'm a government employee, have security clearances and a pristine record, yet I'm one call away from being an enemy of the state. Modern Amerika is not what I grew up in. You know it's bad when you feel you have to pull into the garage to load up for the range.

    Hmmmmmmmm, I carried my guns out the front door and across the lawn to the truck yesterday. Did the same thing when I got home after a long day. One thing I did do though, was unload them and all shooting paraphernalia at my parents' place yesterday in Silver Spring before driving into DC for some business. Felt like complying with DC law since I felt zero need to have a gun while there on business yesterday.

    Should I really be worried that my neighbors know I have firearms?
     

    Combloc

    Stop Negassing me!!!!!
    Nov 10, 2010
    7,216
    In a House
    I guess it depends on what your neighbors think of firearms, how libtard they are and whether or not they know about red flag laws. Do you think there is any possibility that, if you lived beside a rabid, moronic gun-grabber, they might want to make life hard on you because they think only police and military should have firearms? Do you think that, if you lived beside AOC, she might "turn you in" because she thinks you are a white male and dangerous because of that?


    In all my years, I never gave it a thought until marylifornia started going WAY over the center line and into the oncoming traffic left lane. I thought people were just being paranoid. I don't think that so much anymore. I see "vote democrat" and "impeach Trump" signs in my development. I'd lay money on it that some of those people might take exception to me toting an M249 out to the truck. It only takes one idiot to call one "I am the law" cop. We live in the new age of McCarthyism my friend. Hell, there are fudds at my local range, a place where, of all places, I should feel like everyone supports the 2nd Amendment, that have actually asked me questions like, "Is that even legal??" or "Why do you need to own something like that??" One guy, who is a Vietnam veteran of all things, HATES that I show up with "military weapons" and gives me a hard time every time he sees me. He asks thing like "What the hell is that?" and "Are you even hitting the berm?" I do NOTHING crazy or Rambo. I just show up and shoot like everyone else but it just seems to drive him nuts that I'm showing up with anything other than a hunting or competition rifle in .22 caliber. I'm respectful in my answers but all it potentially takes is him pissed off and one call. I really don't think people understand how unbelievably dangerous this new law can be.

    So, yes, you might want to think about whether or not your neighbors know you own firearms. Unfortunately, these things are just a sad reality of modern Amerika.
     

    fabsroman

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 14, 2009
    35,852
    Winfield/Taylorsville in Carroll
    I guess it depends on what your neighbors think of firearms, how libtard they are and whether or not they know about red flag laws. Do you think there is any possibility that, if you lived beside a rabid, moronic gun-grabber, they might want to make life hard on you because they think only police and military should have firearms? Do you think that, if you lived beside AOC, she might "turn you in" because she thinks you are a white male and dangerous because of that?


    In all my years, I never gave it a thought until marylifornia started going WAY over the center line and into the oncoming traffic left lane. I thought people were just being paranoid. I don't think that so much anymore. I see "vote democrat" and "impeach Trump" signs in my development. I'd lay money on it that some of those people might take exception to me toting an M249 out to the truck. It only takes one idiot to call one "I am the law" cop. We live in the new age of McCarthyism my friend. Hell, there are fudds at my local range, a place where, of all places, I should feel like everyone supports the 2nd Amendment, that have actually asked me questions like, "Is that even legal??" or "Why do you need to own something like that??" One guy, who is a Vietnam veteran of all things, HATES that I show up with "military weapons" and gives me a hard time every time he sees me. He asks thing like "What the hell is that?" and "Are you even hitting the berm?" I do NOTHING crazy or Rambo. I just show up and shoot like everyone else but it just seems to drive him nuts that I'm showing up with anything other than a hunting or competition rifle in .22 caliber. I'm respectful in my answers but all it potentially takes is him pissed off and one call. I really don't think people understand how unbelievably dangerous this new law can be.

    So, yes, you might want to think about whether or not your neighbors know you own firearms. Unfortunately, these things are just a sad reality of modern Amerika.

    Nah, I refuse to live in fear. I'm not hiding that I am a gun owner and they are more than welcome to call law enforcement about it if they wish to do so. I will show up at the ERPO hearing on day 3 and I will be seeking to show that somebody committed perjury and/or that this law is terrible the way written when an ERPO can be sworn out by an LEO based upon hearsay from a neighbor of a 48 year old attorney with 4 children and a very clean record.

    As far as how you are treated at the range, I can kind of understand it. My dad accompanied me one time to my LGS where I was picking up some guns of some sort. It was in 2013, so it had to be handguns and/or assault weapons. My dad tells my LGS owner, and buddy, "I don't particularly care for these guns." When I told my dad about the LGQL, etc. that was proposed this past session, he shrugged his shoulders. When I was dove hunting back in September 2013 with my dad and another buddy, who is extremely conservative, my dad told my buddy about everything I bought in preparation for FSA2013 and my buddy responded with, "What the heck did you do that for?" So, I understand what you are talking about. I just like to remind my dad, my friends, etc. what the 2nd Amendment is about.

    Plus, you know how many machine gun aficionados think I am nuts for wanting a $15,000+ shotgun before buying my first machine gun. I hear some tacticool people ask me the same question, "What do you need a $3,500 shotgun for?" Imagine what they will be saying when I have a $15,000+ shotgun. Are those tacticool people anti 2nd Amendment because they question my high dollar shotgun purchase?
     

    44man

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    MDS Supporter
    Feb 19, 2013
    10,129
    southern md
    Funny how some here are all for infringements then claim to be a friend of the 2a.

    Those two things don’t go together.

    And any gun owners in md who haven’t prepared for being red flagged are foolish. No ones immune from the crazy cat lady telling an average anti cop any old thing and getting that rap on the door at 4am and having their lives changed in a matter of minutes.

    Will it happen to every gun owner? Probably not but it will drive gun owners to be like bumpstock owners and they will keep their toys outta sight and locked in the safe.

    That has the same effect as as banning guns if you can’t take them out and use them.

    Sometimes I am glad to be an old sick man.
     

    ComeGet

    Ultimate Member
    Sep 1, 2015
    5,911
    Funny how some here are all for infringements then claim to be a friend of the 2a.

    Those two things don’t go together.

    And any gun owners in md who haven’t prepared for being red flagged are foolish. No ones immune from the crazy cat lady telling an average anti cop any old thing and getting that rap on the door at 4am and having their lives changed in a matter of minutes.

    Will it happen to every gun owner? Probably not but it will drive gun owners to be like bumpstock owners and they will keep their toys outta sight and locked in the safe.

    That has the same effect as as banning guns if you can’t take them out and use them.

    Sometimes I am glad to be an old sick man.

    :thumbsup:

    Something that reinforces this is the near-disappearance of the snarky accusation of "BGOS" for anyone who expresses concern and caution about his or her well-being as a gun owner in Maryland.

    The reality of our tenuous position has become widespread and there is very little, isolated dispute by firearms enthusiasts here about this. The mocking that used to be prevalent a few years ago has all but vanished because most people now know that any paranoia is based on the reality that Democrats in Maryland truly are out to get us.

    A prudent and circumspect lifestyle has become necessary even for the most law-abiding gun owner in this state.
     

    44man

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 19, 2013
    10,129
    southern md
    :thumbsup:

    Something that reinforces this is the near-disappearance of the snarky accusation of "BGOS" for anyone who expresses concern and caution about his or her well-being as a gun owner in Maryland.

    The reality of our tenuous position has become widespread and there is very little, isolated dispute by firearms enthusiasts here about this. The mocking that used to be prevalent a few years ago has all but vanished because most people now know that any paranoia is based on the reality that Democrats in Maryland truly are out to get us.

    A prudent and circumspect lifestyle has become necessary even for the most law-abiding gun owner in this state.

    Indeed so, and no matter who you are or how clean your record if the crazy cat lady and the cop down the street see fit you will Be red flagged, period.

    And no one will be arrested for perjury because all they need to say is they felt scared or threatened and and every crazy cat lady feels scared and threatened and cops can’t let that stand so red flags will fly
     

    Occam

    Not Even ONE Indictment
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 24, 2018
    20,239
    Montgomery County
    We once had some new friends (living temporarily in the DC area, fresh from South Dakota) stop by for a visit. Had a box of 12GA shells on the table just inside the door. Don't remember why - hadn't moved them after unloading some stuff from a skeet shooting outing, something like that. They (having lived in the area for almost a year by then) on seeing the box of shells right out there in the open where ANY visitor might see them (!!!) said, "Oh, man. We finally feel like we've met someone normal!" They had made the serial faux pas of talking about pheasant hunting and similar activities to their new neighbors and co-workers. In SD, that passes for normal chit-chat. Inside the Beltway, that passes for a reason to completely ostracize someone and consider a call to the HOA if not the police.

    We have a neighbor two doors down who just adopted a female mutt. Nice enough dog. They named it after one of the Parkland HS student 15-minutes-of-fame anti-gun activists "because she seems so brave." We are surrounded on all sides by people like that. Happily my range bags look like any other gym duffle, and my long guns come and go in hard cases that could just as easily contain a bass guitar. We genuinely feel it's unsafe - not just in terms of social capital, but in terms of Crazy Neighbor Lady ERPO risk, to make our Secret Hidden Evil Vice more evident to the 'hood. And these people make big local political donations and vote. It's awful.
     

    Occam

    Not Even ONE Indictment
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 24, 2018
    20,239
    Montgomery County
    Somebody living in a "rough neighborhood" needs to spend less on appliances and think about saving up for a down payment on a house that isn't in a "rough neighborhood".

    If I lived next door to a crack house, I would own a couple of guns, at most, and I wouldn't have a ton of money tied up in a safe load of guns when I would be saving every cent I made to move away from the crack house.

    FFS, it's a RHETORICAL EXAMPLE! I consider lower Montgomery County - one of the single wealthiest places on the planet and with the highest per capita rate of millionaires in the country - to be a rough neighborhood indeed, when it comes to tolerance for any ideology or act outside of arch-liberal dogma (especially things like being "that house that has guns!"). We're here by several twists of fate, and can't just flip a switch.

    Our last neighborhood went - in just a matter of a few short years - from being a solidly middle class spot to an MS-13-infested wasteland of people abandoning their mortgages and yanking their kids out of the local schools because of a sustained wave of crime. Many people can't just decide to sell their home at a huge loss and move to a new place that's got fewer weekend gang stabbings for only a couple hundred thousand more dollars than the equity they have to give up on to literally save their kids' lives.

    We went from a "safe full of guns we'd had for decades" family in a neighborhood with cops, military vets, and other folks for whom that would be perfect fodder for chat over a cold beer and some BBQ ... to a family where we had to hunker down, fortify, and eventually bug out in a very painful way. Don't lecture about "what one ought to do..." because we've been there. Watched it ruin the lives of several good neighbors from different walks of life. I don't worry about MS-13 next door now, but instead the rabid Mom Demanding Compliance types who are every bit as sinister, but not as good in a knife fight.
     

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