Looking for data on felony shootings in MD using AR-15/long guns

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  • ClydeD

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    Sep 19, 2018
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    Also, if you're ever interested in reading a good report that demonstrates that the US does NOT have the highest rate of mass shootings, etc., this is a good place to start:

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3289010

    The research paper is titled "Comparing the Global Rate of Mass Public Shootings to the U.S.’s Rate and Comparing Their Changes Over Time" and it's a good one to reference when discussing "mass shootings" to dispel myths about the US experience.

    Yeah that's really good data. I've seen that in this article before which is one I like to send to people who believe that nonsense about mass shootings being a uniquely American problem.
     

    ClydeD

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    Sep 19, 2018
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    I'd think the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) data might be a good place to start.

    Here's the main site: https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr
    Here's the data for 2017 "Murder, by State, types of weapons": https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-20

    For Maryland, the stats are:
    State Total
    Total murders: 475
    - Firearms: 370
    - - Handguns: 339
    - - Rifles: 5
    - - Shotguns: 3
    - - Firearms (type unknown): 23
    - Knives or cutting instruments: 44
    - Other weapons: 50
    - Hands, fists, feet, etc.: 11

    They of course don't break down the Rifles into type, but more people were killed by Hands, fists, and feet than were killed by rifles of any kind.

    2016 data: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

    To find data from other years

    1) start here: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s
    2) pick a year
    3) click the "Crime in the U.S." link for the year you're interested in
    4) click weapons under the "Expanded Offense Data" section
    5) click on the table name next to Weapons at the top

    Not all of the years reports follow this same format. They appear to have changed formats in 2007. The above steps are applicable to 2007-2017. The earlier reports you have to dig around in different spots for the data, but it's there.

    There's data in here for other crimes that can be looked at from the perspective of whether there was a weapon used and what weapons were used. I think this murder data is pretty good to use in our fight though.

    Thanks, that's very useful. I wonder if it's also possible to find data on the frequency of home defense shootings and the weapon type. It's arguable that banning the AR-15 is an overall detriment to public safety since the potential safety they afford in HD situations far outstrips any usage in violent crime.
     

    frogman68

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    I'd think the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) data might be a good place to start.

    Here's the main site: https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr
    Here's the data for 2017 "Murder, by State, types of weapons": https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-20

    For Maryland, the stats are:
    State Total
    Total murders: 475
    - Firearms: 370
    - - Handguns: 339
    - - Rifles: 5
    - - Shotguns: 3
    - - Firearms (type unknown): 23
    - Knives or cutting instruments: 44
    - Other weapons: 50
    - Hands, fists, feet, etc.: 11

    They of course don't break down the Rifles into type, but more people were killed by Hands, fists, and feet than were killed by rifles of any kind.

    2016 data: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

    To find data from other years

    1) start here: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s
    2) pick a year
    3) click the "Crime in the U.S." link for the year you're interested in
    4) click weapons under the "Expanded Offense Data" section
    5) click on the table name next to Weapons at the top

    Not all of the years reports follow this same format. They appear to have changed formats in 2007. The above steps are applicable to 2007-2017. The earlier reports you have to dig around in different spots for the data, but it's there.

    There's data in here for other crimes that can be looked at from the perspective of whether there was a weapon used and what weapons were used. I think this murder data is pretty good to use in our fight though.

    Let's break it down a little further

    Baltimore City Population 611k
    Maryland Population (subtracting Baltimore City) 5.5 million

    2017 total murders 475
    2017 Baltimore City murders 342

    Math isn't my strong point but that leaves only 133 murders for the 5.5 million residents. Of the BC murders 299 were by firearms so that leaves 71 murders by firearm for the 5.5 million
     

    pcfixer

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    BeoBill

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    Let's break it down a little further

    Baltimore City Population 611k
    Maryland Population (subtracting Baltimore City) 5.5 million

    2017 total murders 475
    2017 Baltimore City murders 342

    Math isn't my strong point but that leaves only 133 murders for the 5.5 million residents. Of the BC murders 299 were by firearms so that leaves 71 murders by firearm for the 5.5 million


    Figures don't lie...
     

    BeoBill

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    Baltimore is the Venezuela of Maryland!

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    "FSA 2013 is saving lives every day..." Rep. Jamie "Hair" Raskin

    :lol2: :lol: :rofl:
     

    Bob A

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    It is very logical to them - it's not about safety or public protection.

    No, it's about Politician Protection.

    All this gun control stuff took hold in 1968, when a few politicians were taken out by the disgruntled.

    Your true-blue Political Animal cares about getting elected, and enjoying the profitable perks of money and power. The only concern they have for the citizenry is that they get the vote. How they get the vote is irrelevant. If they have to use fear, their actions in office will work toward increasing fear. Then they can scare you into voting for them.

    That's why there's so little truth behind the legislation, and why bringing the truth to the GA is futile. They don't care about truth, they care about re-election. Political Theater makes up 95% of media info output.
     

    Bob A

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    So how do we fight this?

    Fight? How have recent totalitarian governments been successfully altered?

    Poland managed it politically, but they had a nation composed of a homogenous population, a single language, a common culture, and an aversion to being under the thumb of Russia. None of those ingredients are available here, any more. (It's almost like it was planned, isn't it? Remember when the US was like that? Or are you too young?)

    Afghanistan did it through arms and slaughter, over a couple generations, on a tribal level, working toward a common goal, namely to return to tribal laws and custom. That's not going to work here. We're just not that tough or enduring.

    The Turks did it through a very pro-Western contingent in the military, reorganising the political landscape after WWI finished the Ottoman Empire. Ultimately the Turks decided they'd rather return to those thrilling days of yesteryear.

    Most of Africa has thrown off the yoke of Colonialism, and made great progress toward returning to the grand old days. The benefits of Colonialism now are enjoyed only by the ruling classes.

    I don't see an example that we can take to heart. My suspicion is that our time in the sun is coming to a close. The fans of Socialism will celebrate the Great Leveling, and the folks who now rule will still grasp the levers of power, and we will end up like Zimbabwe or Venezuela, as they loot the economy and our resources. It should take long enough - I hope - that I will not live to experience the delights of our new Democratic Socialist experience.

    Of course, once the Great Leveling takes place, the world economy will collapse, but that's merely an opportunity for the Very Rich to buy up everything at pennies on the dollar. You and I won't like it, but they will.
     

    ForEnglandJames

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    how can they even look at information like this and even begin to want to think about anything rifle related. It comes from a place of so little logic that you can't even argue against it.

    This is exactly what troubles me the most. Our politicians and these political activists (some of them well intentioned) are not concerned with the data. In every other area of life, they clamor for data, but when it comes to big scary guns, they demand “something” be done. You can’t argue with someone who doesn’t know what they want, but knows they want something.

    Bottom line: the politicians will pass any bill that makes them look like they are doing “something”, regardless of its effectiveness.
     

    Not_an_outlaw

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    I think the point is, and that's what the grabbers want, that this is an incremental path to complete confiscation. If this can pass constitutional muster that assault weapons can be banned, that are the least dangerous in society (knowing its really not guns at all, its people), they will eventually be able to outlaw handguns, that are the most dangerous. I'm not sure any argument is effective in this area. You are simply showing them how to completely destroy the 2A.

    Maybe this will work for fence sitters, but I really don't know. I have seen this argument made many times by the lobbyist in MD - personally. It's the same brief with slightly different numbers every year. The person giving that brief, who's name temporarily escapes me (John Dougherty is one), works directly with the grabbers, like our fresh prince, Will Smith, who was a former navy officer.

    I'm thinking there may be another way. I wonder if having a recognized historian testify if that would be better. I recall a female anti-gun individual from the northeast who did some history research in the Heller decision. She became strong 2A supporter after her research. Again, I can't remember her name as well. I would contribute to her travel expenses. John Lott may be anther who would be recognized as a valid witness as well. Pier reviewed real studies is what may be useful. As Ocaam stated, what we think is meaningless.

    Can MSI find these people?
     

    tangent

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    Feb 28, 2013
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    Well to hit a hornet nest with a baseball bat...

    https://statisticalatlas.com/place/Maryland/Baltimore/Race-and-Ethnicity

    If you follow the news, the vast majority of murders in the city are in certain neighborhoods that have very high levels of gang activity and narcotics dealing.

    Remember reading the one time a year the Baltimore Sun published FBI stats. White on white - low single digits. Black on white - low single digits, but includes 5yo kids unfortunate enough to be standing behind a street gang during a drive by. white on black. rare and usually self defense. Black on black - almost all of it. So where are the laws cracking down on gangs and narcotics? Guns are not the problem.

    To clarify something:
    Baltimore City Population 611,000
    Baltimore City murders 342

    Clearly, most Baltimore city residents don't kill each other, but of those that do it's usually black v black and generally gang/drug related.

    Liberal screaming *RACIST* in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
     

    Slackdaddy

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    Where can the ACTUAL police reports be acquired on the FIVE murders involving rifles?
    I think it is very important to see WHO committed those 5 crimes?
     

    rbird7282

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    Well to hit a hornet nest with a baseball bat...

    https://statisticalatlas.com/place/Maryland/Baltimore/Race-and-Ethnicity

    If you follow the news, the vast majority of murders in the city are in certain neighborhoods that have very high levels of gang activity and narcotics dealing.

    Remember reading the one time a year the Baltimore Sun published FBI stats. White on white - low single digits. Black on white - low single digits, but includes 5yo kids unfortunate enough to be standing behind a street gang during a drive by. white on black. rare and usually self defense. Black on black - almost all of it. So where are the laws cracking down on gangs and narcotics? Guns are not the problem.

    To clarify something:
    Baltimore City Population 611,000
    Baltimore City murders 342

    Clearly, most Baltimore city residents don't kill each other, but of those that do it's usually black v black and generally gang/drug related.

    Liberal screaming *RACIST* in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...



    Point all of that out in testimony and the MGA would definitely say you’re racist


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    Bourbonstamps

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    Dec 23, 2015
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    Maryland doesn't have a gun problem. Maryland has 1 county and 1 city that need to be taken over by the National Guard

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