80% lowers, etc...

Bolts Rock · Dec 6, 2014

dogbone said:
Get your hands on a proper milling machine rather than a drill press.

Any recommendations for a small one, tabletop preferred.

DutchV · Dec 6, 2014

Harbor Freight works okay. It's on sale for $549 now, and you can always find at least a 20% off coupon.

dblas · Dec 6, 2014

Pinecone said:
One thing wrong in your list.

You do not HAVE to retain it for your own use. If a pistol, to sell it, it needs to be on the handgun roster. But for a MD legal rifle, you can sell it.

BUT, the rules do say that you cannot make them FOR sale. So one? No problem. Make and sell some number larger than 1, who knows.

Face to face transfers do not need to be on the Handgun roster that I am aware of. The roster is for new firearms sales.

dontpanic · Dec 6, 2014

dblas said:
Face to face transfers do not need to be on the Handgun roster that I am aware of. The roster is for new firearms sales.

Needs to be on the roster. There is no face to face sales of handguns in MD. All sales through FFL or MSP

Bolts Rock · Dec 6, 2014

DutchV said:
Harbor Freight works okay. It's on sale for $549 now, and you can always find at least a 20% off coupon.

Thanks, I'll look into it.

dblas · Dec 6, 2014

dontpanic said:
Needs to be on the roster. There is no face to face sales of handguns in MD. All sales through FFL or MSP

Selling a firearm at MSP is face to face (for that matter doing at so an FFL is as well), and the MSP does not hold your firearm pending approval (and an FFL doesn't either).

dontpanic · Dec 6, 2014

dblas said:
Selling a firearm at MSP is face to face (for that matter doing at so an FFL is as well), and the MSP does not hold your firearm pending approval (and an FFL doesn't either).

Face to face is with no middleman. Just you and the person buying/selling from you. Rifle sales in MD are all face to face now, but not handguns.

Edit: I just looked it up. The proper terminology is "private sale" not "face to face". In MD there are no "pivate sales" of handguns.

ylexot · Dec 6, 2014

dblas said:
Selling a firearm at MSP is face to face (for that matter doing at so an FFL is as well), and the MSP does not hold your firearm pending approval (and an FFL doesn't either).

MSP does not hold it, but there is a mandatory waiting period before the seller can give the gun over to the buyer. I've gone through it before.

Different topic... so, are 16" 5.56 lightweight/pencil barrel profiles legal on 80% lowers? Or are HBAR profiles the only legal ones?

foodpoison · Dec 6, 2014

hbar only
if it is post 10/13 lower

Bald Fat Guy · Dec 7, 2014

Actually my FFL friend IS a good guy. And no it came up in unrelated conversation, with no sales pitches of any type involved.

Yes I know what the law involved is. But the ATF IS telling dealers face to face that all post '68 firearms must have s/n even if homemade. Not saying they are correct, just that they are saying so.

bobthefisher · Dec 7, 2014

Bald Fat Guy said:
Actually my FFL friend IS a good guy. And no it came up in unrelated conversation, with no sales pitches of any type involved.

Yes I know what the law involved is. But the ATF IS telling dealers face to face that all post '68 firearms must have s/n even if homemade. Not saying they are correct, just that they are saying so.

It wouldn't be the first time an ATF inspector has been wrong. The ATF tech branch and their letters are the only ones I'll give any credence, and even then it's taken critically. Knowing and reading the law for yourself gives you all the more confidence when encountering situations like this.

Everything is online these days, nothing stopping you from reading.

Bald Fat Guy · Dec 9, 2014

I know better. My point is the ATF compliance Agents are activly spreading disinformation.

buktseat · Dec 10, 2014

dogbone said:
Get your hands on a proper milling machine rather than a drill press.

Cha CHING!

shooter682 · Dec 10, 2014

You know they are

bobthefisher · Dec 10, 2014

Just get yourself a nice drill press with a multi axes vice and base. It'll definitely come in handy with all those AK pistol builds.

Mills are just too damn expensive to justify chewing up a few lowers. Get a typical router for finishing up after the drill press. Modulus Arms makes a good kit. Notice how the only real hard part was the drill. Can't beat a good press.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O7ACLdya4A

Alphabrew · Dec 15, 2014

I've never done one but I think doing one on a mill would be way easier if you could find the correct size end mills such that you get the proper length of cut while letting the non-cutting shank ride the edge of the jig template. My understanding is that those specific size end mills are hard to find.

buktseat · Dec 15, 2014

Alphabrew said:
I've never done one but I think doing one on a mill would be way easier if you could find the correct size end mills such that you get the proper length of cut while letting the non-cutting shank ride the edge of the jig template. My understanding is that those specific size end mills are hard to find.

Some of the kits (Ares Armor's poly lower, for example) come with everything you need.

FlatsFlite · Dec 15, 2014

Check into 80 Percent Arms easy-Jig as well as the Modulus jig. Both are designed to use a router and produce a clean product. A Modulus will work with any paper weight.

Depends on the jig, but a 1" cutting surface works perfect for a Modulus jig. Otherwise, you would have to leave some material until you got down deep enough to follow the contour of the jig.

Elevation · Dec 15, 2014

how do you find someone who can help me mill an lower 80% complete on their equipment? I only have one I want to drill out, but do not have the equipment. thanks

dtmeyers · Dec 15, 2014

Elevation said:
how do you find someone who can help me mill an lower 80% complete on their equipment? I only have one I want to drill out, but do not have the equipment. thanks

Nice try ATF!

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