Beretta opens new factory today

janklow · Apr 19, 2016

mayor_quimby said:
This is a double edged sword for us, I know we have talked about this before but Maryland for the most part doesn't care because of its location to Washington DC and all the federal jobs so in turn "no one" will miss this company.

The problem that I see when we focus on the long game is that as these 2A friendly companies consolidate into fewer and fewer states their political power decreases with every consolidation.

yeah, it's good for Beretta but it doesn't HELP us to not have a gun manufacturer fighting for 2A issues and providing jobs in the state. not at mystified as to why, of course.

Pinecone · Apr 25, 2016

Jim12 said:
Several northeast states, once known for their firearms manufacturers, now take pride in having driven them out and enacting some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. Maryland has decided to follow suit. Apparently it thinks a government-centric economy is preferable to industry, especially that which is "undesirable." Even the farmers are coming under intense pressure from the environmentalist zealots.

After all, government creates jobs, stimulates the economy, and doesn't pollute, right? All win, no cost.

They may figure it out, once they figure out their only tax base are people they are paying.

Ponzy scheme.

Alutacon · Apr 26, 2016

All this so O'Malley could run for president on a gun control platform and that fool couldn't get 2% of the vote.

He got what he deserved but we damn sure didn't.

Jim12 · Apr 26, 2016

Are the unemployed Beretta workers in Miller's district voting today to increase their jobless benefits, or to encourage new employers to take Beretta's place??

Alutacon · Apr 26, 2016

mayor_quimby said:
This is a double edged sword for us, I know we have talked about this before but Maryland for the most part doesn't care because of its location to Washington DC and all the federal jobs so in turn "no one" will miss this company.

The problem that I see when we focus on the long game is that as these 2A friendly companies consolidate into fewer and fewer states their political power decreases with every consolidation.

There's another side to that coin though. One of the reason that the state was willing to let them go is that while they are a big name in guns the MD plant didn't really employ a lot of people. I think it was something like 100 and something jobs. That's just not gonna give them a strong enough voice.

No matter how much the environmentalist whine about runoff from poulty farms you can believe there will never be a vote in the legislature to run the Mr. Purdue out of town.

EL1227 · Apr 28, 2016

Alutacon said:
There's another side to that coin though. One of the reason that the state was willing to let them go is that while they are a big name in guns the MD plant didn't really employ a lot of people. I think it was something like 100 and something jobs. That's just not gonna give them a strong enough voice.

No matter how much the environmentalist whine about runoff from poulty farms you can believe there will never be a vote in the legislature to run the Mr. Purdue out of town.

You have a point, but not what you think it is. It wasn't the State that let them go, it was Miller, and O'Malley by proxy.

All reports say between 300 and 400 jobs in total were lost. The 100 jobs you note were when they moved some warehousing and shipping operations to their VA location right after FSA2013 passed. Additionally, Beretta paid almost $31M in taxes and had invested $73M in property and plant in Accokeek that will lay fallow until the commercial real estate market in SoMD comes back ... if ever.

So yeah, small potatoes to Miller and his ilk, but tell that to Comptroller Peter Franchot who has been forced to pinch pennies while the MDGA continues to spend liken drunken sailors ... apologies to all the sailors on MDS for the analogous slam. Miller was counting votes when he made his off-hand comment in the video below, but he didn't count the longer term economic impact ... or the ire of the community and ex-employees.

And AFA Perdue ...

Perdue to move 150 jobs from Salisbury to Delaware

Perdue spokeswoman Julie DeYoung said the company has yet to choose an exact location and the move was “probably a two-year process,” but that the company wanted to reaffirm its desire to move after years of delay.

“Gov. Markell’s remarks reflect our recommitment to relocate to Delaware,” AgriBusiness President Dick Willey said in a statement. “We look forward to continuing our partnership as we grow our business.”

Whether it's 'banning guns' or 'saving the bay', the liberal/progressive DemocRATS in Maryland have and will continue to ruin our great state.

dblas · Apr 28, 2016

Alutacon said:
There's another side to that coin though. One of the reason that the state was willing to let them go is that while they are a big name in guns the MD plant didn't really employ a lot of people. I think it was something like 100 and something jobs. That's just not gonna give them a strong enough voice.

The number of manufacturing jobs last was 253. How many of them moved and took their working spouses, and any kids that might have held part time jobs?

So for grins and gillies, let's call it 350 in direct lost jobs from the move.

Now, include any of the mom and pop shops that remained in business because of the lunch/dinner runs made by the employees, that have now either shut down or had to lay additional servers off because of the move. Same with every other small business in the area.

Mike Miller lost in most of the Calvert county voting districts but won most of the PG county voting districts to squeak by in the primary.

Alutacon said:
No matter how much the environmentalist whine about runoff from poulty farms you can believe there will never be a vote in the legislature to run the Mr. Purdue out of town.

That's because they know the real issue with the bay is the Conowingo dam and Excelon Corp, which has way more money than the environmentalist have time. the same for Purdue, so they pick on the small farmers that support Mr. Purdue.

dblas · Apr 28, 2016

EL1227 said:
You have a point, but not what you think it is. It wasn't the State that let them go, it was Miller, and O'Malley by proxy.

All reports say between 300 and 400 jobs in total were lost. The 100 jobs you note were when they moved some warehousing and shipping operations to their VA location right after FSA2013 passed. Additionally, Beretta paid almost $31M in taxes and had invested $73M in property and plant in Accokeek that will lay fallow until the commercial real estate market in SoMD comes back ... if ever.

So yeah, small potatoes to Miller and his ilk, but tell that to Comptroller Peter Franchot who has been forced to pinch pennies while the MDGA continues to spend liken drunken sailors ... apologies to all the sailors on MDS for the analogous slam. Miller was counting votes when he made his off-hand comment in the video below, but he didn't count the longer term economic impact ... or the ire of the community and ex-employees.

So a few thing on the above.

Beretta still owns the buildings and uses them for their headquarters and custom gunsmithing repairs and work. Even if the manufacturing building(s) aren't used, Beretta still has to pay the state and county property tax on them until they are sold.

Where the big money comes in for the state and the county is the personal property tax on all of the machinery, tools, tooling, materials, and inventory that resided in the buildings, that has now been moved to TN.

EL1227 · Apr 28, 2016

dblas said:
So a few thing on the above.

Beretta still owns the buildings and uses them for their headquarters and custom gunsmithing repairs and work. Even if the manufacturing building(s) aren't used, Beretta still has to pay the state and county property tax on them until they are sold.

Where the big money comes in for the state and the county is the personal property tax on all of the machinery, tools, tooling, materials, and inventory that resided in the buildings, that has now been moved to TN.

Agreed, but ...

Just like my Perdue example above, a corporation doesn't just pick up and leave overnight (unless it's the Baltimore Colts <sarc>). When it's all said and done, the property will be either parceled off or left abandoned, and remaining jobs lost. Beretta Sr. promised as much ...

Guns.com Exclusive: As Maryland gun bill looks certain, Beretta weighs its options

“Beretta employees are the Beretta family’s friends,” Reh said. “In Mr. Beretta’s case, there’s a paternal feeling. We have a responsibility for them, a fiduciary responsibility to them. We don’t want to do something precipitate that hurts their lives or their families because we have a publicity seeking Governor.”

Ugo Gussalli Beretta, CEO and president of Beretta Holding S.p.A. penned an 'open letter' in the WashingtonTimes.com -

It's all about respect ...
BERETTA: Maryland disrespects us and gun owners, so we expand in Tennessee

We have seen these types of legislative proposals in Maryland before, and they never seem to reduce crime. Maybe this is because the proponents of such legislation blame the product instead of human misconduct.’

But in any event, because of these new restrictions and the pattern of harassment aimed at lawful firearm owners we have seen in Maryland over the decades, we decided to expand our facilities in a state that shows more respect for citizens who exercise their Second Amendment rights.

daggo66 · Apr 28, 2016

EL1227 said:
Agreed, but ...

Just like my Perdue example above, a corporation doesn't just pick up and leave overnight (unless it's the Baltimore Colts <sarc>). When it's all said and done, the property will be either parceled off or left abandoned, and remaining jobs lost. Beretta Sr. promised as much ...

Guns.com Exclusive: As Maryland gun bill looks certain, Beretta weighs its options

Ugo Gussalli Beretta, CEO and president of Beretta Holding S.p.A. penned an 'open letter' in the WashingtonTimes.com -

It's all about respect ...
BERETTA: Maryland disrespects us and gun owners, so we expand in Tennessee

Another point that is overlooked. They were planning on EXPANDING. This would have meant more jobs in MD. Instead they took the current jobs and added to them in TN. Part of the 29" OAL was to allow for the ARX100. MSP has now banned this weapon. The wording is comical. It states that while it is not a copy of a banned weapon, it is a "copycat" weapon. Dafuq?

EL1227 · Apr 28, 2016

daggo66 said:
Another point that is overlooked. They were planning on EXPANDING. This would have meant more jobs in MD. Instead they took the current jobs and added to them in TN. Part of the 29" OAL was to allow for the ARX100. MSP has now banned this weapon. The wording is comical. It states that while it is not a copy of a banned weapon, it is a "copycat" weapon. Dafuq?

I know it has been validated somewhere, but I 'believe' that 29" OAL was the 'Miller mod' that was supposed to appease Beretta enough to implement their expansion plans at Accokeek. His thinking being that they would commit to stay once they invested a large amount of capital. However, when FSA2013 was signed and Beretta Sr. told him and O'Malley to f'off in the open letter I cited above, MSP did some 'creative' writing to make the ARX100 a copycat.

After all, Miller get's a little vindictive when he's told to f'off.

janklow · Apr 29, 2016

daggo66 said:
Part of the 29" OAL was to allow for the ARX100. MSP has now banned this weapon. The wording is comical. It states that while it is not a copy of a banned weapon, it is a "copycat" weapon. Dafuq?

to be fair, i thought the 29" was actually to allow Beretta's Cx4 Storms (29.7").

dblas · Apr 30, 2016

janklow said:
to be fair, i thought the 29" was actually to allow Beretta's Cx4 Storms (29.7").

You are correct.

Mike · May 6, 2016

Get Beretta app and see virtual tour of the factory

I received an email with this link to get an Apple or Android app for a virtual tour of the Beretta factory. I haven't tried it yet, but I wanted to share it in case anyone is interested.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.beretta.beretta_android&hl=en

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