If You have An Anderson Lower SBR - You need to pay attention to SB-39

calicojack · Jan 14, 2020

SB 39 - Adds Andersen Mfg AM-15 in .223 and .300 by Name to the Evil List.

See these comments from esqappellate (MSI President):

https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5755747&postcount=15

Jed195 · Jan 14, 2020

Would they be banned from the day the law is passed or is this a new twist and the MGA is making something that people may already own now illegal to buy or own? Like the Bushmaster crap-ban it by name or however we're supposed to interperet that ********.

babalou · Jan 15, 2020

What is special about Anderson lowers?

Jed195 · Jan 15, 2020

I believe the ohio mass shooter used an anderson lower built into pistol form. And Baron von frosh thinks that is unacceptable that they aren't banned in Maryland.

IMBLITZVT · Jan 15, 2020

Jed195 said:
Would they be banned from the day the law is passed or is this a new twist and the MGA is making something that people may already own now illegal to buy or own? Like the Bushmaster crap-ban it by name or however we're supposed to interperet that ********.

They are trying to add that to the list that were banned in October 2013. So it would be retroactively... according to the wording now.

P.S. The Bushmaster is not understood correctly. Its not banned by the company name. There was a Bushmaster Rifle that was banned however MSP is screwing that up right now and acting like any Bushmaster AR is banned. You can not ban one manufacturer and not another. Thats not legal. Everything is so screwed up right now...

Jed195 · Jan 15, 2020

IMBLITZVT said:
They are trying to add that to the list that were banned in October 2013. So it would be retroactively... according to the wording now.

P.S. The Bushmaster is not understood correctly. Its not banned by the company name. There was a Bushmaster Rifle that was banned however MSP is screwing that up right now and acting like any Bushmaster AR is banned. You can not ban one manufacturer and not another. Thats not legal. Everything is so screwed up right now...

I was trying to say what you posted but it was late. The Bushmaster gun banned is some goofy gun and the MSP has gone full retard thinking it is all Bushmasters.

RCH · Jan 15, 2020

MSP licensing making up sh*t as they go. Just another day in Merryland...

Jed195 · Jan 15, 2020

This is the Bushmaster that is banned in Maryland...not any other, get with it MSP.

Melnic · Jan 15, 2020

I thought this was the bushmaster that was truly banned?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:First_Generation_Bushmaster_Assault_Rifle.JPG
https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/...spistol_Pics__big_pics__56k_killer_/2-222400/

Jed195 · Jan 15, 2020

That could be...my memory has the goony pistol being banned under "assault pistols" but I could be wrong. Either of them being banned doesn't mean that the MSPs banning all Bushmasters is any more correct as far as the law states. I've never seen the rifles until now, but then again getting older, my memory isn't what it used to be.

calicojack · Jan 15, 2020

Anyways - I am trying to figure out if an Anderson in an SBR configuration would be illegal.

danb · Jan 15, 2020

calicojack said:
Anyways - I am trying to figure out if an Anderson in an SBR configuration would be illegal.

Well, a Colt lower in an SBR configuration is not illegal, as long as it complies with the Copycat rules like being >29" OAL.

I dont want to say too much more, but this bill is a prime example of ignorance and silly reactive policies.

calicojack · Jan 15, 2020

danb said:
Well, a Colt lower in an SBR configuration is not illegal, as long as it complies with the Copycat rules like being >29" OAL.

I dont want to say too much more, but this bill is a prime example of ignorance and silly reactive policies.

Well that's what I thought, until the president of MSI said he was "not sure". When he talks, I listen.

danb · Jan 15, 2020

calicojack said:
Well that's what I thought, until the president of MSI said he was "not sure". When he talks, I listen.

If someone writes nonsense, can you ever really be sure?

In MD, you can be sure law abiding taxpayers will be punished and criminals will skip, that's it.

calicojack · Jan 15, 2020

danb said:
If someone writes nonsense, can you ever really be sure?

In MD, you can be sure law abiding taxpayers will be punished and criminals will skip, that's it.

Wow - you are spot on! :thumbsup:

Confusing laws implemented in a confusing fashion.

atblis · Jan 15, 2020

calicojack said:
Anyways - I am trying to figure out if an Anderson in an SBR configuration would be illegal.

If you SBR something, aren't you the manufacturer?

I suspect this is true when building a stripped lower into something non NFA. You are technically the manufacturer... On the Federal level anyways.

Pinecone · Jan 16, 2020

IMBLITZVT said:
P.S. The Bushmaster is not understood correctly. Its not banned by the company name. There was a Bushmaster Rifle that was banned however MSP is screwing that up right now and acting like any Bushmaster AR is banned. You can not ban one manufacturer and not another. Thats not legal. Everything is so screwed up right now...

Yes, but Bushmaster declined to pursue this, so screw them.

They basically said, we don't care about MD as a market.

Pinecone · Jan 16, 2020

atblis said:
If you SBR something, aren't you the manufacturer?

I suspect this is true when building a stripped lower into something non NFA. You are technically the manufacturer... On the Federal level anyways.

Yes to the first.

No to the second, as the lower IS the firearm to the Feds.

Problem is, if you purchased an Anderson lower, then later SBRed it, MSP has not idea it is an SBR now.

erwos · Jan 16, 2020

atblis said:
If you SBR something, aren't you the manufacturer?

I suspect this is true when building a stripped lower into something non NFA. You are technically the manufacturer... On the Federal level anyways.

You're definitely the manufacturer. The question is whether it's considered a copy of a prohibited rifle. That is a problem right this second if you have a post-ban non-HBAR AR-15 SBR in 5.56, so I am not quite sure why people are suddenly freaking out about the Andersons in this context. Historically, the legislature never intended for SBRs to be included in the banned rifles list, hence why the SBR variants of certain rifles were omitted (example: Galil SAR).

Personal thoughts:
1. I doubt the bill is going anywhere. Frosh does not have a bunch of political leverage in his current position.
2. If it does pass, it will be amended to have grandfathering.
3. If it does pass, I still don't think SBRs or AR pistols are covered by the ban.

ironpony · Jan 16, 2020

When did we let our Country’s second language become attorney?

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