iampiper13
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thats perfect thanks!
Got Any Kids That Hunt? Not Any More...
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markgrutz
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After reading this, I am going to try and get the word out to my 4-H connections, and I am sure some of you know clubs in your area as well. There are clubs all over the state that are Shooting Sports clubs and all under the age of 18... It would be the effective end of the clubs and activites. Not to mention the Boy Scouts that have shooting ranges in Maryland that would all be effected. Just a thought for more outlets of support.
Mark
Mark
Great idea - that should get some more groups interested in the true effects of the current gun legislation proposals.
HeatSeeker
Ultimate Member
I don't really care what this bill/law says. My boy is 10 and I have been teaching him to shoot for a couple of years .22 and 20ga. We will soon do hunters safety and he will hunt with me......PERIOD.
HeatSeeker
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I guess Fort Meade, Andrews, Martins, etc. better start discharging everyone under 21.
Dock-Hunter
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- Dec 8, 2012
- 67
I cannot imagine them doing a blanket ban, it has to be for regulated firearms... There are way to many youngsters in the Military, a lot of those boys and girls start shooting before signing up... Otherwise there would be no marksmen in the boot-camp classes...
Scooterboy333
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SB281
Another reason to email/call your legislators. Get this piece of #$%^ legislation off the table and put on a roll in the restroom of the State House!
Another reason to email/call your legislators. Get this piece of #$%^ legislation off the table and put on a roll in the restroom of the State House!
MDHunter
Ultimate Member
The way the law is written, anyone under 21 cannot legally possess ammunition in Maryland.
Because some of the whack job mass killers were under 21. So in the wisdom of the authors of the bill, no person under 21 should possess ammunition because one of those people may be the next mass killer. They care little about the number of good, honest, law abiding people under 21 that use ammo. They are attempting to punish everyone for the actions of a few.....criminals....who did their evil deeds in another state......
Lex Armarum
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- Oct 19, 2009
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Before you gents get even more spun up, I would go read the proposed definition for "regulated firearm" under the statute. Under the statutory section posted, aren't individuals prohibited from possessing ammunition for firearms that are termed "regulated firearms" buy the statute? Isn't that term limited to a defined list by the definitions?
That said, I'm more offended by the licensing requirement of the proposed legislation. Since when is it permissible for a government body to require a license to exercise one's fundamental rights? This bill has "unconstitutional" written all over it. It's a real shame that the legal process is so slow and so expensive.
That said, I'm more offended by the licensing requirement of the proposed legislation. Since when is it permissible for a government body to require a license to exercise one's fundamental rights? This bill has "unconstitutional" written all over it. It's a real shame that the legal process is so slow and so expensive.
duckslayer
Active Member
So does this bar kids from ammo or not?
good guy 176
R.I.P.
You beat me to it Rusty. A "regulated" firearm requires that one go through a FFL to purchase with NICS check conducted and most shotguns are not "regulated" thus negating this ammunition restriction.
Lex Armarum
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- Oct 19, 2009
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Lex Armarum
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- Oct 19, 2009
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I can see that there's two ways to read the section on the ban possession of ammunition... the problem is, are the drafters referring to banning possession of ammunition for the regulated firearms or are they referring to a ban on ALL ammunition if one is unable to possess a regulated firearm.
The former makes more sense to me than the latter because A. not all firearms are regulated and therefore folks under 21 can purchase certain firearms; B. it wouldn't make much sense for the state to permit purchase of certain firearms by those under 21 then prohibit the purchase of ammunition for those firearms. Of course, MD never made much sense anyways.
Where to I sign-up to start living life as an uncaged felon?
The former makes more sense to me than the latter because A. not all firearms are regulated and therefore folks under 21 can purchase certain firearms; B. it wouldn't make much sense for the state to permit purchase of certain firearms by those under 21 then prohibit the purchase of ammunition for those firearms. Of course, MD never made much sense anyways.
Where to I sign-up to start living life as an uncaged felon?
Among others... handguns.
Anyone under 21 is prohibited from owning a handgun. A handgun is a regulated firearm. Anyone who can't own a regulated firearm, cannot possess ammunition.
Therefore, under 21 cannot possess ammo.
Lex Armarum
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- Oct 19, 2009
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I've read the statute. Go back and see my later post on the topic. I think the statute is written poorly and you all are misconstruing the intent of the section. I believe that the drafters intended to prohibit possession of ammunition for regulated firearms instead of all ammunition for all firearms. I could be wrong of course and this construction by no means polishes the turd.
The statute is DEFINITELY poorly written. That's because it's a terrible piece of legislation.
Unfortunately, laws aren't enforced according to 'legislator intent,' they are enforced by letter of the law
On the other hand, regulation of ammunition for regulated firearms is IMPOSSIBLE.
Among some of the banned weapons? Saigas. That means no 12ga.
ar platforms... 223, 308, 22ls, 300 blackout... I could go on and on. you can't ban by caliber, they are used across the board in all different types of platforms.
Lex Armarum
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- Oct 19, 2009
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The statute is DEFINITELY poorly written. That's because it's a terrible piece of legislation.
Unfortunately, laws aren't enforced according to 'legislator intent.'
On the other hand, regulation of ammunition for regulated firearms is IMPOSSIBLE.
Among some of the banned weapons? Saigas. That means no 12ga.
ar platforms... 223, 308, 22ls... I could go on and on. you can't ban by caliber, they are used across the board in all different types of platforms.
Correct, which is why there is a problem. The statute as written is unenforceable because of how they've written it unless they ban possession of all ammunition by those under the age of 21. However, that ban creates a de facto ban on firearms for a category of individuals otherwise allowed to own firearms (something unconstitutional if SCOTUS decisions are to be believed) because the ban renders the firearms useless much like DC's disassembled firearm requirement.
You are incorrect about one thing, statutes are routinely enforced and interpreted according to legislative intent. It's a favorite of the libtard living document bunch.
Now, the drafters would not define a term earlier in the statute and purposely use it in a later section in the statute banning possession of ammunition unless that defined term has some bearing on the meaning of the particular section of the statute. As I said, there are two ways to read that section.
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