Worman v Healy

jcutonilli · Jan 13, 2020

The conference for this case was Fri 10 Jan. They have not denied the petition nor have they rescheduled the case for the next conference as of now.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/docketfiles/html/public/19-404.html

danb · Jan 13, 2020

Next verse, same as the first: https://comm2a.org/ot2019/

There are now 8 2A cases being held, if I counted right. Probably 11 by the end of Feb.

danb · Jan 13, 2020

Also, we have a thready for this case: https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=226942&page=5

jcutonilli · Jan 13, 2020

danb said:
Also, we have a thready for this case: https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=226942&page=5

I am aware of the thread, I started it. The title of that thread is "1st Circuit Appeal of MA AWB Case (Worman v Baker)". The case is no longer in the 1st Circuit and the two main parties are Worman and Healy according to SCOTUS. I figured a new thread would be appropriate.

Knuckle Dragger · Jan 13, 2020

And it's 'Healey', not 'Healy'.

esqappellate · Jan 14, 2020

So, all these cases are being held for NYC. If NYC doesn't reach the merits on mootness grounds, then the Court will have lots of cases to choose from for a grant. Anyone want to start a betting pool (no money, just fun) on which case they will grant, if NYC goes away?

wolfwood · Jan 14, 2020

esqappellate said:
So, all these cases are being held for NYC. If NYC doesn't reach the merits on mootness grounds, then the Court will have lots of cases to choose from for a grant. Anyone want to start a betting pool (no money, just fun) on which case they will grant, if NYC goes away?

Pena v Cid is my bet

Fedora · Jan 14, 2020

I would think it won't really matter which case is finally decided. The held cases cover enough of the horizon that the most likely opinion - regardless of the case taken - will be a decision on how 2A cases should be decided rather than what the decision should be.

But I don't think NYS will be mooted. If it were to be, and one of the "held" cases revived, then the decision would be kicked into the Oct 2020 term, and it's not clear the Court would favor that.

I am not a lawyer.

Knuckle Dragger · Jan 14, 2020

wolfwood said:
Pena v Cid is my bet

Rogers.

Master_P · Jan 14, 2020

esqappellate said:
So, all these cases are being held for NYC. If NYC doesn't reach the merits on mootness grounds, then the Court will have lots of cases to choose from for a grant. Anyone want to start a betting pool (no money, just fun) on which case they will grant, if NYC goes away?

Mance v. Barr implicates a federal law. Zero chance it gets mooted.

All the other 2A cases implicate state laws. Granting one of those runs the risk of riling up the anti's to start the mootness shenanigans all over again... especially if they get away with it in NYSRPA.

Mance is also a very easy case to resolve. At the time of the founding, you could travel across state lines to acquire a firearm in common-use.

esqappellate · Jan 15, 2020

My bet is Pena (the California microstamping law). It is as irrational as the NYC ordinance and equally devoid of any reasonable public safety rationale. That makes it an easy case. My second choice is Rogers because of the square conflict with Wrenn. Rogers is the NJ carry case and it was first in line among the 3 NJ carry cases now before the Court and was filed before Gould and Malpasso (2 other carry cases). No way that NJ will moot that case. Mance is tougher, precisely because it is a federal law, which the Court is usually reluctant to invalidate. Worman involves evil black rifles and a decision there would cause a firestorm of criticism. Too high profile. They can use any of these cases to establish a standard of review and then GVR all the rest.

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