CCW / WCP what to do when not conducting business?

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  • rmnhsd

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    Nov 17, 2020
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    Couldn't find anything when searching for this.

    Say your restrictions are "only while conducting business".

    What specific Maryland code/instruction from MSP specifies what to do with the gun when you are not conducting business? Assuming you have a business where you work in the field- after you have made the last "deposit" or whatever for the day, and are officially off duty, but are not going home yet, or if you take a lunch break?

    I know that technically when talking about non CCW persons- although while legal to transport a gun to work with you every day to a business location under the usual restrictions of 4-203 if you are the business owner, there is no language as to what is permitted between the time you leave work and the time you get home, or whether you must take a direct route or not.

    But I would assume that since it is assumed that a permit holder will carry every day, and naturally they will have to contend with doing other tasks throughout the day that are non work-related, that there would be some instruction given to them how to proceed after their official duties are over, or during periods between duty times throughout the day.

    Assume the person lives far from their workplace area of operation, and making extra trips back home would be impossible. Like lets say they live in Salisbury and work in Frederick, but take a 4 hour lunch that for the purposes of the restriction are not considered "conducting business".

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    AliasNeo07

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    As far as I know they do not offer such restrictions anymore. They should be all unrestricted now.
     

    Biggfoot44

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    For * Owners * is default Unrestricted . For non- owner business related , still " while conducting business " .

    As per MSP testimony prior to last fall's change , yes you are expected to schlep back & forth to home . Even if it's a long way in opposite direction . If it's such a hassle that you de facto can't be armed a lot of the time ? Too bad,so sad .
     

    Stoveman

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    For * Owners * is default Unrestricted . For non- owner business related , still " while conducting business " .

    As per MSP testimony prior to last fall's change , yes you are expected to schlep back & forth to home . Even if it's a long way in opposite direction . If it's such a hassle that you de facto can't be armed a lot of the time ? Too bad,so sad .


    They also testified repeatedly at the HPRB meetings that they do not know how to define if you are conducting business.
     

    Biggfoot44

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    That too . Kind of took the state of suspended cognitive dissonance to new levels ,but that was their " Testimony Story " , and they were sticking to it .
     

    Rab1515

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    MSP is not issuing restrictions on permits for business owners any longer, if that's the category you fall into you can request a modification and get your restrictions removed.
     

    Applehd

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    If you are an "employee" with a restriction... it's not unreasonable that you are on the way to... on the way home from... or doing something that is related to your company. Picking up supplies? Shop is out of bottled water? Call for service? Cancelled call for service? Don't overthink this... just sayin'...
     

    Blaster229

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    Of all these carry permit questions, answers, predictions, guesses, wonderments(whatever a wonderment is), etc...... I don't think there is 1 single solitary case mentioned/happened/post/thread made about someone with a permit having a "business owner interaction" with law enforcement and what the outcome/resolution was.

    If that's the case, maybe therein lies the answer to ALL the questions?
     

    Rab1515

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    Of all these carry permit questions, answers, predictions, guesses, wonderments(whatever a wonderment is), etc...... I don't think there is 1 single solitary case mentioned/happened/post/thread made about someone with a permit having a "business owner interaction" with law enforcement and what the outcome/resolution was.

    If that's the case, maybe therein lies the answer to ALL the questions?

    For some of us, just having that "interaction" can destroy our carriers.
     

    Blaster229

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    For some of us, just having that "interaction" can destroy our carriers.

    Totally get it. And relying on the experience of others offers no confidence either.
    But In my over 20 years of carrying everywhere in the country and throughout the world, not 1 scintilla of interaction with anyone questioning possibly having seen my pistol. Never. I think that reflects the majority of other carriers (LEO and citizen).

    So, for a permit carrier looking at (vague at best) answers to legit questions, what do you do? Are the lack of answers keeping carriers from carrying?
     

    Rab1515

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    concealed = concealed = concealed

    Of which there is no legal requirement in MD. You can certainly be charged with a host of other things to make up for it, but Maryland does not specify the manor of carry. I covert carry al the time down here in SOMD all the time, even seen a few people open carry; any one who knows where to look simply doesn't care down here. Would I do so in Baltimore or Moco? Absolutely not.
     

    Biggfoot44

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    I think Travis is going for , if thoroughly concealed , low likelihood of issues ( baring concealed magnomitors ) .
     

    roadking

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    The answer is likely going to be in trial judgements on similar issues. If there are none, whomever wants to test this will be the first. Do you want to be a legal test case? I wouldn’t. So we’re it me, I’d head straight home after the last defined “duty” was done and drop off the gun. That’s the requirement on someone without a permit who is taking their gun to the range/show/store/etc. They are expected to go directly to and from. Tons of threads on that subject on here. Maybe it doesn’t apply directly, but it seems really similar to me. Concealed or not, I wouldn’t test it if you like owning firearms.


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    PJS

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    Feb 4, 2014
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    Back when I had a restricted permit, I went on a "cop walk" in my neighborhood in Baltimore City. I spend the majority of the time walking next to a very friendly BPD officer. So, we'll call him Officer Friendly.

    Officer Friendly had no idea I was carrying my handgun. Knowing some BPD officers, I'm nearly certain had he noticed, and I showed him my permit, he would have been far more interested in how the hell I got a permit than the G23 in my holster.

    That said, I'm a real estate agent... everything I do is business related. It's nice to have my unrestricted permit now so I don't have to worry, but I never really worried.

    YMMV, of course.
     

    roadking

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    Back when I had a restricted permit, I went on a "cop walk" in my neighborhood in Baltimore City. I spend the majority of the time walking next to a very friendly BPD officer. So, we'll call him Officer Friendly.

    Officer Friendly had no idea I was carrying my handgun. Knowing some BPD officers, I'm nearly certain had he noticed, and I showed him my permit, he would have been far more interested in how the hell I got a permit than the G23 in my holster.

    That said, I'm a real estate agent... everything I do is business related. It's nice to have my unrestricted permit now so I don't have to worry, but I never really worried.

    YMMV, of course.


    100% agree with your logic. Still, I wouldn’t want to be (and bankroll) the test case for the courts.


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    Blaster229

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    That said, I'm a real estate agent... everything I do is business related. It's nice to have my unrestricted permit now so I don't have to worry, but I never really worried.

    YMMV, of course.

    Dinner out with the wife at 8 p.m is business related?
     

    Occam

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    Dinner out with the wife at 8 p.m is business related?

    In an opportunistic line of work where new sales leads often come from a casual chat with a stranger, and being out with a pocket full of business cards - and being on call should a client have immediate issues ... yeah, business never sleeps. Even on date nights.

    I’m in a different line of work, but it’s the same story.
     

    Blaster229

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    In an opportunistic line of work where new sales leads often come from a casual chat with a stranger, and being out with a pocket full of business cards - and being on call should a client have immediate issues ... yeah, business never sleeps. Even on date nights.



    I’m in a different line of work, but it’s the same story.
    "as long as I have a phone, I'm at work".
    Yeah ok.
     

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