SBR and SRS ruling by MSP

swinokur · Mar 30, 2014

exactly 30 inches (stock extended)

Ab_Normal · Mar 30, 2014

teratos said:
Here's my thinking. A pre 10/1 Form 4 is like a purchase order. With a PO, if you ordered an M1A from Springfield in August, and it comes in now or a few months down the road, you can still take possession of it. I could be dead wrong, but that's how I am treating it.

How'd that work out for pre 10/1's and HQL's?

swinokur · Mar 30, 2014

Well pre 10-1 PO's worked out. HQL's? Not so much.

teratos · Mar 30, 2014

Ab_Normal said:
How'd that work out for pre 10/1's and HQL's?

Didn't MSP say you didn't need an HQL for a pre-10/1 order?

swinokur · Mar 30, 2014

Yeah, but the AG said you did. So who's right?

teratos · Mar 30, 2014

swinokur said:
Yeah, but the AG said you did. So who's right?

Who knows.

swinokur · Mar 30, 2014

What a sad Fuster Cluck this state is.

Ab_Normal · Mar 30, 2014

teratos said:
Who knows.

My point exactly. :sad20:

fightinbluhen51 · Mar 30, 2014

teratos said:
Didn't MSP say you didn't need an HQL for a pre-10/1 order?

swinokur said:
Yeah, but the AG said you did. So who's right?

teratos said:
Who knows.

Ah...LOLZWUT?!

This is absolutely tyrannical. It was tyrannical when they revoted an amendment in the house judiciary committee and its tyrannical now.

Ab_Normal · Mar 30, 2014

swinokur said:
Yeah, but the AG said you did. So who's right?

Neither: "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The more credence people give to these tyrants the more it legitimizes their position in their minds. It is the same exact situation when a child tells you something that is wrong and you don't correct them.

ShallNotInfringe · Mar 30, 2014

teratos said:
Didn't MSP say you didn't need an HQL for a pre-10/1 order?

swinokur said:
Yeah, but the AG said you did. So who's right?

MSP said they do not intend to ENFORCE that portion of the law. They never said it wasn't what the law, in fact, said or that you didn't need one.

The advisory issued on 3/20/14 does not have an effective date. Not sure when the inquiries went in, but they sure dragged their feet if it was anytime before the law went into effect, which I am pretty sure is the case given the great debate here on MDS since the bill came out.

It appears to have been written in haste (with the typo on definition of SBS) and could have been thrown together in a matter of days.

annihilation-time · Mar 30, 2014

Since SBRs are handguns and rifles, stripped lowers on a Form 4 should be approved.... Or.... Will MSP say they are illegal because I could build an Assault Long Gun. All of this is so incredibly stupid.

annihilation-time · Mar 30, 2014

AR-15 HBAR = legal
AR-15 Pistol = legal
AR-15 AOW = legal
AR-15 SBR = legal
AR-15 MG = legal
AR-15 ALG = banned
MD = Stupid

TNW · Mar 30, 2014

fightinbluhen51 said:
Ah...LOLZWUT?!

This is absolutely tyrannical. It was tyrannical when they revoted an amendment in the house judiciary committee and its tyrannical now.

Just watched the X-Files episode that has this clip in it...

Sorry, off topic I know.

fire_medic · Mar 31, 2014

Anything new? I have reading through and don't know if I should be discouraged or encouraged. I want to SBR a 300 BLK on a lower I have had for some time. The the stock fully extended a 10 barrel with no muzzle device would be 29" overall. I had wanted an 8.5" barrel but can live with the extra 1.5" to stay on the right side of MSP's interpretation. As for evil features, no greande launcher, no folding stock and a brake instead of a flash suppressor and I think I pass the evil feature test.

I know most of you are not lawyers but am I wrong in my thinking. If I Form 1 it myself, I think I am good.

DC-W · Mar 31, 2014

This thread made my head hurt. Why the hell did I read this all?
:smh:

Biggfoot44 · Apr 1, 2014

(Meanwhile , after taking a break from this thread for a cpl days .)

Back at #203 , Yes , states may have additional rules/ restriction beyond the NFA . But the problem is when Md's rules are internally incompatable.

clandestine · Apr 1, 2014

fire_medic said:
Anything new? I have reading through and don't know if I should be discouraged or encouraged. I want to SBR a 300 BLK on a lower I have had for some time. The the stock fully extended a 10 barrel with no muzzle device would be 29" overall. I had wanted an 8.5" barrel but can live with the extra 1.5" to stay on the right side of MSP's interpretation. As for evil features, no greande launcher, no folding stock and a brake instead of a flash suppressor and I think I pass the evil feature test.

I know most of you are not lawyers but am I wrong in my thinking. If I Form 1 it myself, I think I am good.

CPL Edwards of the MSP Licensing Division has stated that the MSP does measure OAL as ATF does. Stock OPEN/EXTENDED with any non permament muzzle device removed.

He sent me a link as reference: http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-2.pdf

SB281 Blaster · Apr 1, 2014

fire_medic said:
Anything new? I have reading through and don't know if I should be discouraged or encouraged. I want to SBR a 300 BLK on a lower I have had for some time. The the stock fully extended a 10 barrel with no muzzle device would be 29" overall. I had wanted an 8.5" barrel but can live with the extra 1.5" to stay on the right side of MSP's interpretation. As for evil features, no greande launcher, no folding stock and a brake instead of a flash suppressor and I think I pass the evil feature test.

I know most of you are not lawyers but am I wrong in my thinking. If I Form 1 it myself, I think I am good.

You are allowed one evil feature, your choice.

HumbleEinstein · Apr 1, 2014

Good news for many on this thread. A few pieces of info from an inside source. It is currently the understanding within MSP that the Grandfather clause applies to the 3/20 advisory. More specifically, pre 10/1 lowers may be SBR'ed under Form 1 without concern for OAL requirements. In addition, pre 10/1 Form 4 are good to go.

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