Regarding the VA rally from somebody with experience with VA "protest control"

t84a · Jan 16, 2020

Wait, is that your last post?

Stoveman · Jan 16, 2020

I sense a disturbance in the force.....

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Ranchero50 · Jan 16, 2020

This is going downhill fast... Sad really.

concerned user · Jan 16, 2020

nevermind

bibitor · Jan 16, 2020

concerned user said:
This is why i wont ever give a dime to local gun "activist" groups which are really just handouts to shitty rural lawyers who couldnt win a case to save their lives.

Really making me regret defending your position. I cannot speak for all local 2A groups, but MSI has been irreplaceable and successful in a hostile state. Step back from the keyboard for a while and ignore the shit stirrers. Some people just like being grumpy and knowing they've ruined someone else's day. I prefer to move along and drink away my problems like an adult. Give it a try and be well.

Occam · Jan 16, 2020

concerned user said:
this is my last post on this forum. But real activism works. Showing up and talking to democrats who hate your existence on a pre planned date isnt activism. Its an assumption its 1987 and we still have some semblance of a real country left.

I suggest you read rules for radicals. And maybe some history books on how the gay rights movement succeeded. They didnt ask nicely. They demanded what they wanted relentlessly until they got it and ignored any semblance of decorum , politeness , and fairness. They goal was to win not to play fair.

Showing up with 30 people while they are eating dinner with their family members in a public resturaunt and asking why they pass bills that get people killed IN FRONT OF THEIR KIDS is effective activism.

driving by a democrat reps house and putting a sign in the street with whatever (non threatening) choice of words you have for the person , every day , for weeks straight , until police are called on you , and you get another person to switch off with you.... Is effective activism.

Disrupting every and any political event they have including positive ones. Is effective activism.

Calling said representatives homes in the middle of the night. Using burner phones. For weeks on end. Is effective activism.

You are dealing with human beings with real fears , real anxieties , and real desires to live normal lives.

You disrupt these things and you win. Thats real activism and thats why democrats beat the shit out of republicans in state politics without exception.

So what you're saying is that if Democrats did all of that to you, you would suddenly cave, agree with them, and start supporting what they stand for?

No? Of course not. Why? Because that kind of BS just makes people even more galvanized against you. It doesn't make people suddenly flip their world view upside down. You're recommending harassment bordering on terroristic threads as if that would win hearts and minds amid a Democrat super-majority, and scolding people here for an approach that recognizes that reality.

Squaregrouper · Jan 16, 2020

bibitor said:
Really making me regret defending your position. I cannot speak for all local 2A groups, but MSI has been irreplaceable and successful in a hostile state. Step back from the keyboard for a while and ignore the shit stirrers. Some people just like being grumpy and knowing they've ruined someone else's day. I prefer to move along and drink away my problems like an adult. Give it a try and be well.

This.
I believe Concerned User is on our side, but is really fired up right now and acting like many of us did in 2013- speaking/typing before thinking of whats coming out of his mouth/keyboard.
I remember being very unpopular for openly stating I was not renewing my NRA membership after 2013 because they didn't do much to fight FSA2013.

Glaron · Jan 16, 2020

VCDL has had a rally day since.. 2002?

Why would this one be violent? I'm guessing it wont be VCDL or supporters. Just looking at history.

Mightydog · Jan 16, 2020

t84a said:
Wait, is that your last post?

So wast it #33, or #39, or or or. Now we can get back to business.

danb · Jan 16, 2020

concerned user said:
you
do
NOT
deserve
rights
you
wont
sit
in
a
police
car
for
to
defend

You people are really adorable. You will talk about civil war like its nothing. Stockpile ammo and shit. But the second your 401k , your jerb , your family could be threatened by engaging in real activism and maybe having a visit to the police station you turn into pussies.

This is why i wont ever give a dime to local gun "activist" groups which are really just handouts to shitty rural lawyers who couldnt win a case to save their lives.

jesus

concerned user said:
nevermind

LOL, you cannot simply say "nevermind" to a post like that!

elwojo · Jan 16, 2020

Injunction to the weapon ban has been denied:

https://www.twitter.com/CamThompsonCBS6/status/1217924158732017665

MightyWarMonger · Jan 16, 2020

concerned user said:
alright this thread was a mistake. You goofy baby boomers are on your own. Your behavior is why you keep losing these easy to win fights and pushing away people who want to help.

We loose do to a super democratic Majority and gerrymandering that keeps it that way, you watch that's coming next. VA's only hope is a quick turn around in the next election so they can repeal the laws that will be passed this year, good luck and hope you all win as many battles as you can.

randomuser said:
I don't know how many times on this forum I have typed out replies only to realized it better to delete and not hit submit reply.

Am I the only one who does that?

Nope I do it all the time.

Livingthedream · Jan 16, 2020

I do agree more should be done to paint the 2A community in a better light. Advocating borderline extremism does not help any cause. If they are trying to portray gun owners as dangerous now then I can’t imagine how a bunch of people showing up at their family gatherings will help.

Steve_Zissou · Jan 16, 2020

squaregrouper said:
This.
I believe Concerned User is on our side, but is really fired up right now and acting like many of us did in 2013- speaking/typing before thinking of whats coming out of his mouth/keyboard.
I remember being very unpopular for openly stating I was not renewing my NRA membership after 2013 because they didn't do much to fight FSA2013.

This. We need to welcome passionate millennials and zoomers into the fold, not shun them. These kids are the folks who are blowing AR/AK sales into uncharted territory and the most passionate among them are the sorts of folks who will go on to found the next MSIs or Patriot Pickets.

The boomers here may bristle as some of their takes, but new ideas always take some getting used to, and if you're not making people uncomfortable, you're not really bringing new perspectives to the table. The answer is always inherently somewhere between the old generation's ideological status quo and the next generation's enthusiastic fringe takes, and the only way we get anywhere is by giving equal space to both perspectives.

OMCHamlin · Jan 16, 2020

Steve_Zissou said:
This. We need to welcome passionate millennials and zoomers into the fold, not shun them. These kids are the folks who are blowing AR/AK sales into uncharted territory and the most passionate among them are the sorts of folks who will go on to found the next MSIs or Patriot Pickets.

The boomers here may bristle as some of their takes, but new ideas always take some getting used to, and if you're not making people uncomfortable, you're not really bringing new perspectives to the table. The answer is always inherently somewhere between the old generation's ideological status quo and the next generation's enthusiastic fringe takes, and the only way we get anywhere is by giving equal space to both perspectives.

Oh BS, he’s a fear mongering propagandist troll who you are basically aiding and abetting! See his BS post about the victorious injunction? guarantee someone is spreading that crap as gospel right now...

teratos · Jan 16, 2020

MightyWarMonger said:
We loose do to a super democratic Majority and gerrymandering that keeps it that way, you watch that's coming next.

You missed his point. You have to call them in the middle of the night, show up at their kids events etc. You need to do stuff that will get you arrested or red flagged, or you aren’t doing enough!!!! You can EASILY win with those tactics. It will convince them you might kill them and they’ll let you keep your guns.

Norton · Jan 16, 2020

Amazing how it is predictable this time of the year the people that come out of the woodwork around here.

It's like clockwork.

Mr. Ed · Jan 16, 2020

teratos said:
You missed his point. You have to call them in the middle of the night, show up at their kids events etc. You need to do stuff that will get you arrested or red flagged, or you aren’t doing enough!!!! You can EASILY win with those tactics. It will convince them you might kill them and they’ll let you keep your guns.

Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with that approach? :innocent0

Livingthedream · Jan 16, 2020

Stalk and harass. That will change minds somehow.

Cruacious · Jan 16, 2020

Mr. Ed said:
Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with that approach?

Well, if you get shot dead... you kinda prove the 2A's point. The hard way.

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