ATF Keeping personal data

Schipperke · Dec 11, 2016

Not sure why it is news. Who would think anything else.

More fake news (time wise), I think this is very old but dated yesterday. Sorry, news to me though.

BradyWarrior · Dec 11, 2016

No surprise.

Considering that almost all 4473s are eventually sent to the ATF, it's not surprising.

If a dealer goes out of business within twenty years of the 4473 transfer date, then the form must be sent to the ATF. For most dealers, this literally means all of their forms will be eventually turned in.

WeaponsCollector · Dec 11, 2016

Yet another reason to build your own guns with 80% frames. It's the best way to say F*** YOU to the outlaw ATF.

silanehead · Dec 11, 2016

MSP Licensing Div.-Check
NICS (FBI)-Check
03 FFL (ATF)-Check
TWIC (FBI/Homeland)-Check
CDL Hazmat (FBI/Homeland)-Check

Well Hell, I guess I'm on everybody's list.

K31 · Dec 11, 2016

Eh. .gov keeping people's personal data without informing them is only a felony. No big deal.

Boom Boom · Dec 11, 2016

WeaponsCollector said:
Yet another reason to build your own guns with 80% frames. It's the best way to say F*** YOU to the outlaw ATF.

Or GTFO of MD and move to a state where you can by most anything as FTF private sale.

Bob A · Dec 11, 2016

K31 said:
Eh. .gov keeping people's personal data without informing them is only a felony. No big deal.

Possibly the Trump DoJ can look into prosecuting the violators. Or perhaps the BATFE can resign en masse, to save their pensions, and defund the bureau going forward.

Well, a guy can dream . . .

nmyers · Dec 11, 2016

True, it's a violation of law, & a violation of a court order. Problem is, the court order was issued to a prior ATF director. And, no USAG is going to prosecute any government employee for obstruction of justice. All the ATF director need do is say he's sorry, the law hadn't been clarified at the time.

Judge Napolitano is wrong, though. They know who acquired specific guns, but that doesn't mean that they still have the gun; in most states, you don't have to notify anyone when you sell a gun. Obviously, they see the current illegal record keeping as the first step towards total registration of all guns.

Vetted84 · Dec 12, 2016

Schipperke said:
Not sure why it is news. Who would think anything else.

More fake news (time wise), I think this is very old but dated yesterday. Sorry, news to me though.

I think it would be bigger news to find out they were not saving gun owner's personal data.

Sundazes · Dec 12, 2016

Don't forget NFA stuff.

pcfixer · Dec 15, 2016

Buy longguns and shotguns in another state is one way.

A1Uni · Dec 15, 2016

pcfixer said:
Buy longguns and shotguns in another state is one way.

Illegal, unless you go through a FFL, and that creates a 4473.

Sirex · Dec 16, 2016

This has to be fake news. I just can't imagine our government doing something unethical, or even illegal. I mean, think of the children. The sweet, innocent children.

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