P320 X-Carry is still my next gun, most likely.
Omaha Outdoors Suspends Sales of the Sig Sauer P320
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Its not the weight of the trigger pull that they are talking about. Its the actual weight of the trigger, the heavier trigger carries more inertia hence setting the gun off. The x-five has a lighter trigger pull but its the fact the trigger itself is lighter and doesn't carry enough inertia to discharge the weapon.
Inertia is usually a property of not moving (or not being easily moved off a predetermined course). Do you guys mean momentum?
I also am surprised that a trigger would have sufficient momentum per se, but can understand how a pre-staged striker mechanism might be subject to release if jarred at the right angle.
I haven't checked out the schematics of the Sig striker mechanism to see how they might do things differently than Glock.
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Yes, that's the parenthetical bit in the first sentence.
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frogman68
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The test that made the 320 fire was not the standard drop test. The test was more than required for the Army or California .
Lol
- Apr 25, 2017
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"AWWWW crap, I'm in an anthill" 
Ummm, the problem is when the gun fires...not fails to fire
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Outerlimits
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The Truth About Guns is reporting this.
The SIG P320 story just got more complicated. According to a suit filed in US District Court on Friday, a Stamford Connecticut police officer was injured when a SIG P320 pistol he dropped discharged when it hit the ground.
From ctlawtribune.com:
According to the complaint filed Aug. 4 in the U.S. District Court for the District of Connecticut, officer Vincent Sheperis dropped his holstered department-issued handgun while loading equipment into the back of his car in January. The gun fired when it hit the pavement, and the bullet entered beneath his left knee and lodged to the side “with the round protruding from his leg.”
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...er-injuries-suffered-dropped-p320-discharged/
The SIG P320 story just got more complicated. According to a suit filed in US District Court on Friday, a Stamford Connecticut police officer was injured when a SIG P320 pistol he dropped discharged when it hit the ground.
From ctlawtribune.com:
According to the complaint filed Aug. 4 in the U.S. District Court for the District of Connecticut, officer Vincent Sheperis dropped his holstered department-issued handgun while loading equipment into the back of his car in January. The gun fired when it hit the pavement, and the bullet entered beneath his left knee and lodged to the side “with the round protruding from his leg.”
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...er-injuries-suffered-dropped-p320-discharged/
alucard0822
For great Justice
Stated in the video, all 3 pistols they tested for firing when dropped were previously "torture tested", probably stuffed full of mud, sand, etc, or generally beat on in an unrealistic way. The test pistols were possibly damaged before throwing them against the ground repeatedly till they were able to make them fire. So good chance whatever allows them to fire may be a part that was previously damaged, or seized, basically making their test worthless. In the slo-mo, the trigger doesn't bounce back far enough to simulate a full pull, but it did fire, so good chance a heavy trigger shoe isn't what is causing it to fire. This is part of the reason most other poly pistols use a paddle or hinged tab to lock the trigger out, although Sig does not.
There is a chance that the little bit of trigger movement pulls back far enough to disengage the striker block, and the force jars the sear off of the striker, releasing it, or any of those parts could have been damaged previously. I want to see an actual scientific test, several off the shelf pistols not previously beat on in prior testing, dropped from a reasonable height in a rig with sensors to repeat the test with other pistols, and determine the force required to instigate a failure. Then disassembly or high speed photos to find where the fault is, if there is a fault at all.
Outerlimits
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Sigs statement released today on Social Media. More details will be released on Aug 14.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
PR Contact:
Jordan Hunter
SIG SAUER, Inc.
603-610-3293
jordan.hunter@sigsauer.com
SIG SAUER Issues Voluntary Upgrade of P320 Pistol
P320 pistol meets requirements for industry and government safety standards;
performance enhancements optimize function, safety, and reliability.
Newington, NH (August 8, 2017) – The P320 meets U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) / Sporting Arms Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. (SAAMI®), National Institute of Justice (NIJ), as well as rigorous testing protocols for global military and law enforcement agencies.
The design of the SIG SAUER P320 overcomes the most significant safety concern in striker-fired pistols today: the practice of pressing the trigger for disassembly. This can be performed with a round in the chamber which has resulted in numerous incidents of property damage, physical injury, and death. The disassembly process of the P320, however, uses a take-down lever rather than pressing the trigger, eliminating the possibility of discharge during the disassembly process.
Recent events indicate that dropping the P320 beyond U.S. standards for safety may cause an unintentional discharge.
As a result of input from law enforcement, government and military customers, SIG has developed a number of enhancements in function, reliability, and overall safety including drop performance. SIG SAUER is offering these enhancements to its customers. Details of this program will be available at sigsauer.com on Monday, August 14, 2017.
The M17 variant of the P320, selected by the U.S. government as the U.S. Army’s Modular Handgun System (MHS), is not affected by the Voluntary Upgrade.
“SIG SAUER is committed to our approach on innovation, optimization, and performance, ensuring we produce the finest possible products,” said Ron Cohen, President and CEO of SIG SAUER. “Durability, reliability and safety, as well as end-user confidence in the SIG SAUER brand are the priorities for our team.”
For more information on SIG SAUER, please visit us at sigsauer.com.
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SIG SAUER, Inc. is The Complete Systems Provider™, leading the industry in American innovation, ingenuity, and manufacturing. SIG SAUER® brings a dedication to superior quality, ultimate reliability, and unmatched performance that has made it the brand of choice among many of the world’s elite military, government and law enforcement units as well as responsible citizens. SIG SAUER offers a full array of products to meet any mission parameter, including handguns, rifles, ammunition, electro-optics, suppressors, ASP (Advanced Sport Pellet) airguns and training. The largest member of a worldwide business group of firearms manufacturers that includes SIG SAUER GmbH & Co. KG in Germany and Swiss Arms AG in Switzerland, SIG SAUER is an ISO 9001: 2008 certified company with more than 1,600 employees. For more information on SIG SAUER, any of its products, or the SIG SAUER AcademySM, please visit on to sigsauer.com.
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
PR Contact:
Jordan Hunter
SIG SAUER, Inc.
603-610-3293
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SIG SAUER Issues Voluntary Upgrade of P320 Pistol
P320 pistol meets requirements for industry and government safety standards;
performance enhancements optimize function, safety, and reliability.
Newington, NH (August 8, 2017) – The P320 meets U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) / Sporting Arms Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. (SAAMI®), National Institute of Justice (NIJ), as well as rigorous testing protocols for global military and law enforcement agencies.
The design of the SIG SAUER P320 overcomes the most significant safety concern in striker-fired pistols today: the practice of pressing the trigger for disassembly. This can be performed with a round in the chamber which has resulted in numerous incidents of property damage, physical injury, and death. The disassembly process of the P320, however, uses a take-down lever rather than pressing the trigger, eliminating the possibility of discharge during the disassembly process.
Recent events indicate that dropping the P320 beyond U.S. standards for safety may cause an unintentional discharge.
As a result of input from law enforcement, government and military customers, SIG has developed a number of enhancements in function, reliability, and overall safety including drop performance. SIG SAUER is offering these enhancements to its customers. Details of this program will be available at sigsauer.com on Monday, August 14, 2017.
The M17 variant of the P320, selected by the U.S. government as the U.S. Army’s Modular Handgun System (MHS), is not affected by the Voluntary Upgrade.
“SIG SAUER is committed to our approach on innovation, optimization, and performance, ensuring we produce the finest possible products,” said Ron Cohen, President and CEO of SIG SAUER. “Durability, reliability and safety, as well as end-user confidence in the SIG SAUER brand are the priorities for our team.”
For more information on SIG SAUER, please visit us at sigsauer.com.
Follow SIG SAUER on social media, including Facebook at facebook.com/sigsauerinc, Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/sigsauerinc/, and YouTube at youtube.com/user/sigsauerinc.
SIG SAUER, Inc.
SIG SAUER, Inc. is The Complete Systems Provider™, leading the industry in American innovation, ingenuity, and manufacturing. SIG SAUER® brings a dedication to superior quality, ultimate reliability, and unmatched performance that has made it the brand of choice among many of the world’s elite military, government and law enforcement units as well as responsible citizens. SIG SAUER offers a full array of products to meet any mission parameter, including handguns, rifles, ammunition, electro-optics, suppressors, ASP (Advanced Sport Pellet) airguns and training. The largest member of a worldwide business group of firearms manufacturers that includes SIG SAUER GmbH & Co. KG in Germany and Swiss Arms AG in Switzerland, SIG SAUER is an ISO 9001: 2008 certified company with more than 1,600 employees. For more information on SIG SAUER, any of its products, or the SIG SAUER AcademySM, please visit on to sigsauer.com.
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I wouldn't expect anything less from a class company.
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DanGuy48
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Hey Alucard,
Sorry guy....I wasn't trying to make a actual point. And I do understand the actual point you were trying to make. I was being a bit of a smarta-- as regards your comment wonder if they tried it with a Hi-point or Taurus...given those guns have reputations...deserved in some models....of not firing (failure to feed or fire or whatever).
But, your points are valid.
alucard0822
For great Justice
Hey Alucard,
Sorry guy....I wasn't trying to make a actual point. And I do understand the actual point you were trying to make. I was being a bit of a smarta-- as regards your comment wonder if they tried it with a Hi-point or Taurus...given those guns have reputations...deserved in some models....of not firing (failure to feed or fire or whatever).
But, your points are valid.
, although sig did come out with a statement, the mil spec models are not affected, and they are launching a voluntary "upgrade" program, so probably something to it, even if their methods are flawed.SIG has officially stopped production of the P320
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...0-voluntary-safety-upgrade-details-on-monday/
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...0-voluntary-safety-upgrade-details-on-monday/
Notice the slide never moves rearward...They're using safety cartridges without a bullet in them.
redeemed.man
Ultimate Member
After market slide assembly. Not a Glock.
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