Omaha Outdoors Suspends Sales of the Sig Sauer P320

IDFInfantry · Aug 7, 2017

It appears they did some extensive drop testing on the Sig P320 and have decided to no longer sell it as a result. The Sig P320 will fire if dropped at a certain angle.
Interestingly enough when they put a lighter trigger in the gun it reduced or eliminated the occurrence of firing a round when dropped at that angle. I'm probably going to just put a lighter flat faced trigger in mine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7si_VQsGA

IDFInfantry · Aug 7, 2017

I guess it's good that we have a handgun safety review board that catches all of these safety issues. Kind of makes you wonder what the handgun review board is actually for? :lol2:

I'm still waiting for the Ruger Mark IV Tactical to get on the roster. Guess they don't like the word Tactical in the name? :innocent0

IDFInfantry · Aug 7, 2017

Had this guy had a bullet in the chamber he would have had no idea that he was playing Russian Roulette. :lol:

https://youtu.be/QvARR0Tk7iI

Perfessor · Aug 7, 2017

Holy crap, that's a compelling video. The P320 Compact was on my wish list ...

More importantly, we clearly have to change the government/industry testing protocol.

Perfessor · Aug 7, 2017

But I just realized some of the shots have the person standing right there, dropping the damned things onto concrete *with their bare hands* ... no protection, no evident barrier, no nothing (see, e.g. the video at 1:52). From the Omaha Outdoors video (not the kid in the garage), it's clearly not an automated/robotic test, which I would think to be the obvious method.

I find it *really* hard to believe that an actual firearms-safety tester would put him/herself in such danger. What's the chance the video clips are fake?

mopar92 · Aug 7, 2017

*cough* Glock *cough*

Microwaves popcorn in preparation for the SIG fanboys.

alucard0822 · Aug 7, 2017

So they took a couple pistols after "torture testing" them, and found they would fire when thrown repeatedly in a way that nobody else tests? Seems like a lot of variables, even if there is something to their results. Probably a lot of other pistols that would "fail" whatever test criteria or lack thereof they are applying. Wonder if they are re-testing everything they sell and pulling them, being they sell Hi-point and Taurus, their standards must be lofty.

Perfessor · Aug 7, 2017

Yeah, I suspect that a competitor who DIDN'T get the US Gov't contract spent a lot of time and money finding and publicizing the gun's weakness/es. And similar weaknesses would be found with many other guns, because that particular drop angle is not part of the industry/gov't drop-test protocol.

f1racecar · Aug 7, 2017

These tests were conducted with primers only. Bullets were pulled from the cartridges. You can even see the slides did not cycle when the gun went off.

Perfessor · Aug 7, 2017

Okay, I don't know enough of cartridge & chamber mechanics ... is that a completely valid test? Is there any way that a gun behaves differently if/when a bullet is present in the cartridge? (other than the obvious)

mopar92 · Aug 7, 2017

Perfessor said:
Yeah, I suspect that a competitor who DIDN'T get the US Gov't contract spent a lot of time and money finding and publicizing the gun's weakness/es. And similar weaknesses would be found with many other guns, because that particular drop angle is not part of the industry/gov't drop-test protocol.

The seller decided to replicate the findings of the Dallas TX PD.

This test was NOT sponsored by any competitors.

mopar92 · Aug 7, 2017

Perfessor said:
Okay, I don't know enough of cartridge & chamber mechanics ... is that a completely valid test? Is there any way that a gun behaves differently if/when a bullet is present in the cartridge? (other than the obvious)

Yes. Same way dryfire replicates the ignition cycle of a firearm. Only difference is the bullet itself being launched.

Perfessor · Aug 7, 2017

Cool; thanks. Then this is real ... and it does suggest that changes to the testing protocol are needed. The video is pretty damning.

tkd4life · Aug 7, 2017

So I pick up my Sig P320 from my dealer tomorrow and I couldn't care less about this issue. Even if it is as bad as some people suggest, I will just make a mental note that in the EXTREMELY rare circumstance that I need this pistol in a self defense scenario, I will hold the loaded firearm in my hands and point it towards the person/people I intend to shoot rather than throwing the loaded firearm at them. Should clear the issue right up.

Perfessor · Aug 7, 2017

I think the issue is more that the guy next to you on the range might accidentally knock his loaded pistol off the bench. Just like driving - WE'RE not the problem, it's all the other idiots on the road.

mopar92 · Aug 7, 2017

tkd4life said:
So I pick up my Sig P320 from my dealer tomorrow and I couldn't care less about this issue. Even if it is as bad as some people suggest, I will just make a mental note that in the EXTREMELY rare circumstance that I need this pistol in a self defense scenario, I will hold the loaded firearm in my hands and point it towards the person/people I intend to shoot rather than throwing the loaded firearm at them. Should clear the issue right up.

I used to be the same way regarding non drop safe guns. Oh I'm just going to shoot them and not drop it.

Then someone smarter than me enlightened me to 2 things.
1. Slipping and falling is bad enough. Slipping and falling AND shooting yourself(or worse someone innocent) is a bad fvcking day.
2. When the nice policeman says drop the gun, 9 times out of 10 it's not a polite suggestion. And God forbid you drop it and it discharges cause then you're deffo getting shot.

Only drop safe guns for me please.

tkd4life · Aug 7, 2017

alucard0822 said:
Probably a lot of other pistols that would "fail" whatever test criteria or lack thereof they are applying. Wonder if they are re-testing everything they sell and pulling them, being they sell Hi-point and Taurus, their standards must be lofty.

This^^^. The drops were all in line with the trigger pull. Inertia is a bitch. I'm just really surprised to hear that the lighter trigger pulls resolved the issue, that seems counter intuitive.

I'm not a sig fan boy, but I wonder how many other firearms would fail the same test. It does sound like the drop testing protocol needs to be updated as the current conditions do not seem to be the worst case scenario for the test. I guess we will see what Sig does to address this issue.

tkd4life · Aug 7, 2017

mopar92 said:
I used to be the same way regarding non drop safe guns. Oh I'm just going to shoot them and not drop it.

Then someone smarter than me enlightened me to 2 things.
1. Slipping and falling is bad enough. Slipping and falling AND shooting yourself(or worse someone innocent) is a bad fvcking day.
2. When the nice policeman says drop the gun, 9 times out of 10 it's not a polite suggestion. And God forbid you drop it and it discharges cause then you're deffo getting shot.

Only drop safe guns for me please.

Touche sir, Touche. Those are both great points that make way to much sense for me to try and argue with. Internet battle won, good day to you sir.

Melnic · Aug 7, 2017

so, the weight of the trigger is what they are saying is an issue. But won't the springs also be a factor?
It is the mass of the trigger vs the spring is it not? Plus any friction from the sear contact , correct?
I would expect MORE variation from spring to spring then from weight of one trigger to the next.
I am by no means an sig expert , not even close but the Sig (don't recall the model) my friend let me try has a VERY light first stage to the 2 stage trigger.

Juche90 · Aug 7, 2017

I wonder if this will have any implications for the P320 80% project that ghost guns is working on?

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