SAF SUES IN MARYLAND OVER HANDGUN PERMIT DENIAL UPDATED 3-5-12

MJD438 · Jul 24, 2012

esqappellate said:
MD will try, so keep your power dry. And beware of the Kool Aid.

I know they will try (I did note that in my paranthetical comment)...I just liked the reading material and don't see how the logic could be twisted to be thrown out. Just my IANAL thoughts.

Thanks again for all of the education to this process, it has been and continues to be an interesting journey!

faze · Jul 24, 2012

esqappellate said:
If you want a permit, you can't get one without applying....... Now might be a good time. See sticky thread in this forum.

So after this 14 days is up I'm SOL?

tailboardtech · Jul 24, 2012

Whoooo hoooooo!!!!!

esqappellate · Jul 24, 2012

faze said:
So after this 14 days is up I'm SOL?

I see no reason to wait 14 days. That's not advice. I don't give advice here. It is what I would do in your shoes. No guarantees.

Hotrod Diesel · Jul 24, 2012

Waiting on msi directions, I also submitted in march, and have had zero contact...

faze · Jul 24, 2012

esqappellate said:
I see no reason to wait 14 days. That's not advice. I don't give advice here. It is what I would do in your shoes. No guarantees.

Well based on what I'm seeing it looks like in 14 days the G&S clause will be lifted... That's what MSI says.

esqappellate · Jul 24, 2012

Klunatic said:
That brings up the question about those of us who have submitted applications back in March. How does the 90 day process period work? Will we be approved and then have the investigation completed? I sent my app in March 9th and have had zero contact since.

I expect the MSP to move forward on the pending apps with the injunction in place in 14 days, unless, of course, MD manages to get the stay reinstated by the ca4 pending appeal sometime in the next 14 days. Don't know, but 14 days is their window, the injunction becomes effective after that and they will not go into contempt.

dlmcbm · Jul 24, 2012

faze said:
Well based on what I'm seeing it looks like in 14 days the G&S clause will be lifted... That's what MSI says.

Yes that is true. By the time you get your app together and to them and they look at it. It will be over 14 days so If I were you I would get it done now before the second flood of apps.

MJD438 · Jul 24, 2012

Well, IANAL and just a random thought, but the next 14 days will be interesting. Judge Legg did not immediately dissolve the stay, leaving it in place until 07AUG2012, so G&S still applies until then. I am curious to see what MSP will do with our non-G&S applications over the next 14 days.

m4strmind · Jul 24, 2012

MJD438 said:
Well, IANAL and just a random thought, but the next 14 days will be interesting. Judge Legg did not immediately dissolve the stay, leaving it in place until 07AUG2012, so G&S still applies until then. I am curious to see what MSP will do with our non-G&S applications over the next 14 days.

IANAL but it sounds like to me that they could deny them all, take the cash and start over

Patrick · Jul 24, 2012

Great news. The biggest steps are done.

The AG will surely beg relief from the 4th. Not sure how that will go. We will see. For now, if you got the app and the cash: apply.

Will have more later. But for those who applied pre-stay, absent an emergency order from the 4th, you should be getting your permits. Some of you quite soon.

MJD438 · Jul 24, 2012

m4strmind said:
IANAL but it sounds like to me that they could deny them all, take the cash and start over

True, but how would the federal court system view such an action, that is the true question.

We all knew, going into this application process post-Woollard that it would be difficult, time-consuming, and full of games. Just wondering if MSP/MD AG will really run the risk of ticking off the court with games over the next two weeks.

MDFF2008 · Jul 24, 2012

m4strmind said:
IANAL but it sounds like to me that they could deny them all, take the cash and start over

The MSP actually chose NOT to do this and instead wait for judicial guidance.

Patrick · Jul 24, 2012

m4strmind said:
IANAL but it sounds like to me that they could deny them all, take the cash and start over

No. That would be beyond the pale.

MSP held those apps waiting on this ruling, one way or the other. There is no reason to dump them all now. Not even omalley is that crazy.

I think.

faze · Jul 24, 2012

dlmcbm said:
Yes that is true. By the time you get your app together and to them and they look at it. It will be over 14 days so If I were you I would get it done now before the second flood of apps.

So since I'm not a felon I will probably be approved for CCW?

jmira · Jul 24, 2012

wonder how they will process my out of state app =)

dlmcbm · Jul 24, 2012

m4strmind said:
IANAL but it sounds like to me that they could deny them all, take the cash and start over

If they do they you appeal to the review board keeping your app alive. As long as there is no stay from the CA4 they they would have to issue it.

esqappellate · Jul 24, 2012

faze said:
So since I'm not a felon I will probably be approved for CCW?

No predictions are appropriate on that point. Section 5(i) still applies and the rest of the application must be filled out and investigated under current MSP procedures. Look at the at application and judge for yourself.

Brychan · Jul 24, 2012

Let's see if the Gov. calls for a special session before the 14 days are up.

X-Factor · Jul 24, 2012

We are SO close....

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