SAF SUES IN MARYLAND OVER HANDGUN PERMIT DENIAL UPDATED 3-5-12

mrjam2jab · Jul 3, 2012

robertgreen79 said:
Here's an idea. We have a seperate thread specifically for updates. Anybody who is interested can subscribe to it. A mod locks the thread and only updates it when there's new news.

Guarantee....as soon as the stay is lifted there will be at least 1/2 dozen new threads proclaiming the news.

Merlin · Jul 4, 2012

swinokur said:
I'm not mean spirited. Call them lke I see them.Seems like I struck a nerve huh?Judges' heart composition have nothing to do with the decision. I'm not going to drive this thread off topic any more than it has been.

Gotta go feed Toto.

And in doing so your one of the biggest winers here. All ideas and posts you don't agree with is wining in your eyes. If you're really interested in improving this thread send in posts we can learn from or are thought provoking instead of the constant wining about the posts that have ideas that are different then yours.

fightinbluhen51 · Jul 4, 2012

X-Factor said:
1/2? How about 0-2. Obamacare was upheld (but called a tax), and Stolen Valor was ruled to be unconstitutional. That's 0-2.

Sorry, but, I was referring to the contempt vote as being the other part of the 2, not stolen valor.

fightinbluhen51 · Jul 4, 2012

2ndCharter said:
Probably forgot Stolen Valor and was including the contempt vote against Holder.

I did and I was. While that's contemptible, it's kinda like the westboro batnuts. Unfortunately, idiotic speech and acts are protected.

fightinbluhen51 · Jul 4, 2012

Papi4baby said:
I hate to be off topic but maybe escapellate can chime in.

Since it was rule that it has to be a tax. Does it have to go back to congress and get a 2/3rds majority vote now?

Actually, there in lies the endgame here...no it doesn't. It's a tax and the bill originated in the house so therefor it only needs a 51/49 senate vote to pass w/ no cloture vote.

eyesinpines · Jul 4, 2012

swinokur said:
I'm not mean spirited. Call them lke I see them.Seems like I struck a nerve huh?Judges' heart composition have nothing to do with the decision. I'm not going to drive this thread off topic any more than it has been.

Gotta go feed Toto.

I find it totally ironic that there are so many on here whining about "whiners".

Those same members, so absorbed in rightly and indignantly "whining" about their second amendment rights have no reluctance in trashing the first amendment rights of other forum members just because they have different opinions!

I don't want to do battle with other forum members as I like to think we're all on the same team. However, I believe I should have the right as a forum member to expect my opinions, concerns, and questions to be treated with the same respect as anyone elses without being disparaged.

First amendment rights are just as important as 2nd!

So if you're one of those who have been whining about whiners please pause, think, and let's stop "eating our own".

dblas · Jul 4, 2012

The problem with forums, that you have to join and have a user agreement, is that there is no expectation of 1st amendment rights. The owners/moderators can (if they wish) edit/delete/change anything you say with absolutely no expectation of 1st amendment security.

While it does not happen on this board (Thank you to all of the Admin/Mods) that often, I have had no issue with how they run the board and delete off topic posts from threads.

Just something to think about for those that think they have a 1st amendment right to post what they want and have it treated the same.

Sorry to turn the steering wheel further off topic.

DB

eyesinpines · Jul 4, 2012

dblas said:
The problem with forums, that you have to join and have a user agreement, is that there is no expectation of 1st amendment rights. The owners/moderators can (if they wish) edit/delete/change anything you say with absolutely no expectation of 1st amendment security.

While it does not happen on this board (Thank you to all of the Admin/Mods) that often, I have had no issue with how they run the board and delete off topic posts from threads.

Just something to think about for those that think they have a 1st amendment right to post what they want and have it treated the same.

Sorry to turn the steering wheel further off topic.

DB

Although you are technically correct in that owners/moderators reserve editorial rights, of course we all have an expectation of first amendment rights. This is because those editorial rights are there to protect members not from what we are saying but the way it is said. Ipso facto - copied from our own rules: -:

"By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."Nobody [you included I'm sure] would suggest that the moderators of this site wish to "stifle" a civilly stated opinion?

Any "hatespeak" appearing on this forum is coming not from those being accused of whining, but those doing the accusing and it needs to stop!

My previous comments stand.

Boondock Saint · Jul 4, 2012

eyesinpines said:
Although you are technically correct in that owners/moderators reserve editorial rights, of course we all have an expectation of first amendment rights. This is because those editorial rights are there to protect members not from what we are saying but the way it is said. Ipso facto - copied from our own rules: -:

"By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."Nobody [you included I'm sure] would suggest that the moderators of this site wish to "stifle" a civilly stated opinion?

Any "hatespeak" appearing on this forum is coming not from those being accused of whining, but those doing the accusing and it needs to stop!

My previous comments stand.

You selectively quoted the rules from this thread: http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=56622

You have no 1A rights on this forum, period. Don't believe me? Read the next sentence following the end of your quotation, emphasis mine:

DD214 said:
The moderators of Maryland Shooters reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread, and/or ban or restrict any member for any reason.

Seagrave1963 · Jul 4, 2012

uuuuhhhhh - what's the title of this thread? :innocent0

cad68m_m · Jul 4, 2012

Seagrave1963 said:
uuuuhhhhh - what's the title of this thread?

SAF SUES IN MARYLAND OVER HANDGUN PERMIT DENIAL UPDATED 3-5-12

Can we please get back to the topic

eyesinpines · Jul 4, 2012

Boondock Saint said:
You selectively quoted the rules from this thread: http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=56622

You have no 1A rights on this forum, period. Don't believe me? Read the next sentence following the end of your quotation, emphasis mine:

And respectfully, you sir are selectively misinterpreting my comments by not considering them in their entirety and context. I also stated:

"Nobody [you included I'm sure] would suggest that the moderators of this site wish to "stifle" a civilly stated opinion?"

Those rules are in place to protect against the uses that I [and the stated rules] delineate, NOT to edit ANY civil discourse.

Enough is enough already.....it is self defeating for those that feel morally superior to divide this group into "whiners" and their own group of self righteous super intellectuals simply based on a difference of opinion.

CypherPunk · Jul 4, 2012

Today is the day,
to lift the stay.
In remembrance of Independence Day!

Our founders once abandoned a king,
Who tried to control, regulate and tax everything.
In a new world they would again sing.

They didn't want to start again,
But they could only live as free men.
A lesson lost on Sheridan.

Liberals tried to have thier way,
Fewer guns, less crime, they say
Feelings, not facts - the game they play

"Maryland's finest" will still make hay
Even after courts lift the stay.
But Shall issue is still better than may.

Happy Birthday to the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Merlin · Jul 4, 2012

eyesinpines said:
I find it totally ironic that there are so many on here whining about "whiners".

Those same members, so absorbed in rightly and indignantly "whining" about their second amendment rights have no reluctance in trashing the first amendment rights of other forum members just because they have different opinions!

I don't want to do battle with other forum members as I like to think we're all on the same team. However, I believe I should have the right as a forum member to expect my opinions, concerns, and questions to be treated with the same respect as anyone elses without being disparaged.

First amendment rights are just as important as 2nd!

So if you're one of those who have been whining about whiners please pause, think, and let's stop "eating our own".

very well said and I can't agree more.

Dave · Jul 5, 2012

mrjam2jab said:
Guarantee....as soon as the stay is lifted there will be at least 1/2 dozen new threads proclaiming the news.

you know what, you are absolutely correct. I think this will be the last time I open this thread. thank you.

Forager · Jul 5, 2012

As seemingly appropriate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hgDQqjKErA

Though, we should probably just relabel it as a "tax", so as to make it permissible.

Merlin · Jul 6, 2012

Forager said:
As seemingly appropriate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hgDQqjKErA

Though, we should probably just relabel it as a "tax", so as to make it permissible.

Thanks, I needed that. :beer:

mrjam2jab · Jul 6, 2012

Dave said:
you know what, you are absolutely correct. I think this will be the last time I open this thread. thank you.

Well....I wasn't looking to drive anybody away from this thread...

Viper-Snipe · Jul 6, 2012

I'm still reading every day with fingers crossed! :thumbsup:

X-Factor · Jul 6, 2012

I just glance at the number of replies in the forum view...if it hasn't jumped a few hundred since the last time I looked I log out.

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