I was going to do it earlier, but I only recently have gotten enough time to pronounce my new 1911 as "fit for HD". Whatever else I may complain about with the CZ-82, it's a gun I'd trust my life to.
AIM - No CZ82's to Maryland?
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sbmike
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I mentioned earlier in this thread that I had ordered a C&R CZ82 from AIM about a week ago without realizing that they had changed their ad to read "not for sale in MD". I checked my cc account and sure enough it had not been charged. Two days ago I got a shipping confirmation from AIM, I confirmed that my credit card had been charged and I just now took delivery of a 1990 CZ-82 in excellent condition from the UPS man. Included was a cleaning rod, a lanyard, a brand new after-market holster and... get this... a gun lock! Either they got clarification from someone in MD or someone goofed. Either way, I've got another C&R purchase to add to my small collection and another gun lock to throw on the pile.
Coincidentally, I called them a couple days ago about this also...notice that they say "Dealer Sales Only". From what I was told, an 01 FFL from here brought the MD Handgun roster issue up and I guess they put the restriction up as a CYA - but there is no prohibition from IMPORTING and owning this gun in this state (as an 03 FFL) AFAIK. I too recently ordered one with no prob.
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So a dealer in MD brought the issue up to AIM? I would like to know who it was so I can add them to my do not do business with file.
Nice, I guess it's one of those dealers who tell customers they either can't use a C&R in Maryland to buy handguns in Md. or Md. doesn't recognize C&R period. I too, would love to know who this was.
Whoaaa -- I'd do the same if I was a dealer. One transfer is not worth losing your license.
Blame the politicians like Frosh, not the dealers for making this state so backwards in 2a issues.
Triggerscan
Shooting Ventures, LLC
Uninformed Customer Anger is the problem
This happens all too often and is one of my sore points
. The law doesn't prevent a dealer from shipping a non-C&R handgun to a MD dealer. It DOES prevent a dealer from doing the transfer if it's not on the roster. In talking to one online stores, they ship, the dealer won't transfer, so the customer (who didn't check to make sure it was on the roster in the first place) complains and the store backs down and eats the return postage. Result - a change in company policy that they won't ship to MD if it's not on the list. I get handguns periodically that are NOT on the list and work the customer to petition the Board. For new models, the Board even requires me to send them the handgun for testing by their lab. The lab report becomes part of the petition. I have had luck (only on one occassion) of talking to store management (who actually listened). Most (AIM, Cheaper-Than-Dirt, etc) will just tell you its company policy or were told by their lawyers not to sell to MD. It has nothing to do with MD law as written, just their ignorance of it.
Like most others have said, just give your money to someone more reasonable.
This happens all too often and is one of my sore points
. The law doesn't prevent a dealer from shipping a non-C&R handgun to a MD dealer. It DOES prevent a dealer from doing the transfer if it's not on the roster. In talking to one online stores, they ship, the dealer won't transfer, so the customer (who didn't check to make sure it was on the roster in the first place) complains and the store backs down and eats the return postage. Result - a change in company policy that they won't ship to MD if it's not on the list. I get handguns periodically that are NOT on the list and work the customer to petition the Board. For new models, the Board even requires me to send them the handgun for testing by their lab. The lab report becomes part of the petition. I have had luck (only on one occassion) of talking to store management (who actually listened). Most (AIM, Cheaper-Than-Dirt, etc) will just tell you its company policy or were told by their lawyers not to sell to MD. It has nothing to do with MD law as written, just their ignorance of it.Like most others have said, just give your money to someone more reasonable.
An FFL01 telling AIM they cannot transfer a handgun not on the list is one thing. Them telling AIM it applies to C&R transfers is another. If you don't think any dealers would do this, search for the posts of dealers who have told members that Maryland does not honor C&R, period.
defygravity
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Someone at Continental once told me MD doesn't honor C&R's....rifles, handguns, anything. Being new I believed them until I came on here.
They also had a fairly overpriced Mosin on one of their racks.....hmmm.
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They also had a fairly overpriced Mosin on one of their racks.....hmmm.
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A local 01 dealer has nothing to do with an 03 collector making an internet purchase from a distributor. While Frosh and the rest of the boneheads in the Maryland GA deserve their fair share of scorn, a dealer that makes it harder for a licensed collector to purchase a C & R arm deserves their share as well. There are some dealers that feel the average guy should not possess a C & R and make purchases interstate.
Dave.B said:
Word.
falconguy
Active Member
Looks like another out of state dealer caving in to the anti-gun Nazis in Maryland. 
I too purchased a CZ-82 from them a couple years ago.
I too purchased a CZ-82 from them a couple years ago.
kcd
quickdraw
My understanding is that if the hangun is manufactured before 1985, you can legally purchase it from a dealer via MD FFL even if it's not on the handgun roster. I checked on this with J&G about a month ago and they will sell you a VZ-82 with a pre-1985 date (if they have one) via a MD FFL. You don't need a C&R license to make this purchase.
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Maryland doesn't honor C&Rs. But that's intrastate; I can't use my C&R to buy a C&R pistol from a MD dealer.
But if they're outside MD, it's no problem. It's a Federal license; MD can't do squat about my using it to buy something from outside the state.
But if they're outside MD, it's no problem. It's a Federal license; MD can't do squat about my using it to buy something from outside the state.
Bob A said:
AIM is just doing CYA now. Mine came in from them two years ago no problem and it's a 1990 model.
miben
Active Member
AIM clarified when I asked recently: MD law states that any pistol made after 1985 must appear on the approved handgun list. The CZ82 does not, and we do not have any made before 1985.
A dealer may have raised this issue, but since other dealers are saying similar things, I suspect MD contacted them (this has been done before as mentioned in earlier posts). Everything I could find on MDSP web sites is vaguely written about this. I can see a distributor taking an official web site posting literally, I don't expect them to research every statue in every state for wording and exceptions, especially if contacted by an official agency.
This is an example of with a C&R if you snooze you lose. On the other hand sometimes more come on the market after the original group and the pricing gets better.
A dealer may have raised this issue, but since other dealers are saying similar things, I suspect MD contacted them (this has been done before as mentioned in earlier posts). Everything I could find on MDSP web sites is vaguely written about this. I can see a distributor taking an official web site posting literally, I don't expect them to research every statue in every state for wording and exceptions, especially if contacted by an official agency.
This is an example of with a C&R if you snooze you lose. On the other hand sometimes more come on the market after the original group and the pricing gets better.
TapRackBang
Cheaper Than Diamonds
Fixed that. AIM is wrong. It is 100% legal for an FFL to import into Maryland a post-1985 pistol not on the roster. It is 100% illegal to transfer within Maryland a post-1985 pistol not on the roster. That difference is how shops have pistols before they are on the approved list. And how C&R licensees get pistols not on the list.
The MDSP website may be "official", but it is not the law. The only place AIM's lawyer should be looking is the COMAR.
Johnshaw65
Member
Question. I am a new C&R holder. Can I buy two CZ-82s and sell one to my friend. Or would he have to go thru a FFL. Thanks
John
John
It would have to go through either an FFL Dealer, or be transfered at a State Police Barracks, just like any other handgun.
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