Can an FFL make an SBR for me?

pilotguy · Feb 3, 2010

I was wondering if I could purchase a pistol that is NOT on the MSP list - like the Vektor V53 pistol but get it turned into an SBR.

Have it shipped to an FFL here, have the FFL SBR it and then I could do the purchase as an SBR and not a pistol.

Basically wondering if an FFL can take the transfer of a pistol not on the MSP list?

joppaj · Feb 3, 2010

I believe they can. I think this is essentialy what midcountygunshop was going to do with the Draco AK pistols.

midcountyg · Feb 3, 2010

Yes, that can be done. PM me if you would like to do it.

joppaj · Feb 3, 2010

FYI pilotguy, if you've never dealt with midcounty, I have and would vouch for him. Very friendly guy and real easy to work with.

clandestine · Feb 3, 2010

Midcounty is good people! I send AK Build work, and all Kinds of C2/C3 to him whenever I get the chance.

He builds some neat stuff, and Im a perfectionist so I dont compliment other work without cause. Buy with confidence.

pilotguy · Feb 3, 2010

I'm just looking for my next one right now and I have to wait for my Colt SBR first. It's a matter of money!

I have been working in Kansas City and Dallas, and get to see a few gun shows and have seen some nice pistols there.

Markp · Feb 3, 2010

pilotguy said:
I was wondering if I could purchase a pistol that is NOT on the MSP list - like the Vektor V53 pistol but get it turned into an SBR.

Have it shipped to an FFL here, have the FFL SBR it and then I could do the purchase as an SBR and not a pistol.

Basically wondering if an FFL can take the transfer of a pistol not on the MSP list?

Yes, but they must be an FFL07. They can also turn it into an AOW and the transfer cost is only $5 instead of the $200 for a SBR. (although I am not sure if there is anything that would bolt to the front of a V53 to accomplish that.)

Mark

Ethan83 · Feb 3, 2010

Markp said:
Yes, but they must be an FFL07. They can also turn it into an AOW and the transfer cost is only $5 instead of the $200 for a SBR. (although I am not sure if there is anything that would bolt to the front of a V53 to accomplish that.)

Mark

Wait - so you can get around the MD Handgun Roster by AOW'ing the pistol in question just by having an FFL add a vertical foregrip, paying $5 to the ATF, and waiting a long-ass time? Does this also get around the banned "assault pistols"? Like, I could get a skorpion by AOW'ing it with a vertical foregrip?

midcountyg · Feb 3, 2010

The Skorpion is MD approved

Ethan83 · Feb 3, 2010

midcountygunshop said:
The Skorpion is MD approved

Really? Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference between the Skorpions I've seen at Dulles shows and the one banned by md?

midcountyg · Feb 3, 2010

I have only seen one type of Scorpion, and you can buy it in MD. It is on the MD roster as an approved handgun.

Ethan83 · Feb 3, 2010

...But it's on the MD "assault pistol" list? 4-301:

http://law.justia.com/maryland/codes/gcr/4-301.html

"In this subtitle, "assault pistol" means any of the following firearms or a copy regardless of the producer or manufacturer:

...

(11) Skorpion semiautomatic pistol;"

I'm not doubting you, I'm just not understanding.

Kharn · Feb 4, 2010

MSP states that if it is on the approved handgun roster it is legal for sale, as they interpret the roster to supersede the banned assault pistols list.

Markp · Feb 4, 2010

Ethan83 said:
Wait - so you can get around the MD Handgun Roster by AOW'ing the pistol in question just by having an FFL add a vertical foregrip, paying $5 to the ATF, and waiting a long-ass time? Does this also get around the banned "assault pistols"? Like, I could get a skorpion by AOW'ing it with a vertical foregrip?

To answer your question directly. YES. Although, it would be a real gray area based on how the law is written. I would feel more comfortable SBR'ing it to make it a "short barreled rifle" and that way no one could claim it was even remotely a pistol.

4-301 states, and this is where is gets tricky,

§ 4-301. "Assault pistol" defined.

In this subtitle, "assault pistol" means any of the following firearms or a copy regardless of the producer or manufacturer:

At what point does the assault pistol no longer remain that "firearm" or a copy of? A short barreled rifle is not a pistol, but it certainly is made from one of those firearms. Take an UZI carbine for instance... the only difference is barrel length and a folding stock over the "banned" uzi assault pistol. If that small cosmetic change is enough to make it legal, then certainly an AOW or SBR should also be legal. However, I would expect to get flak over it by overzealous LEO's.

Mark

Ethan83 · Feb 4, 2010

MD law gets stupider by the day.

2Asales&Supplies · Feb 4, 2010

Ethan83 said:
Really? Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference between the Skorpions I've seen at Dulles shows and the one banned by md?

We have Scorpion Pistols in stock if you want to check one out.

Ethan83 · Feb 4, 2010

How much, out of curiosity? Are they still all .32acp? Feel free to PM me.

K-Romulus · Feb 4, 2010

Ethan83 said:
MD law gets stupider by the day.

+1M

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