Training Exempt HQL

Maki · Jul 29, 2020

So, I was under the impression that purchasing a stripped lower qualified you be training exempt;
Lawfully owns a regulated firearm, you do not have to complete the training to apply for the Handgun Qualification License.

But apparently, as you're applying, it says that it has to be owned prior to 2013. When I was at the store getting fingerprinted, they asked me what my training exemption was and I told them that I had purchased the lower a few weeks back, as well as having my Hunter Safety card that I got in 03, and that I was an instructor up until 2012. Got told that the Hunter Safety wouldn't qualify me because it was "too old" and that they wouldn't care if I was a former instructor. Is this accurate? I haven't seen any information on MSP's site regarding a HS Card being "too old" just as I've never been told that I have to renew it to get my hunting license.

Blaster229 · Jul 29, 2020

Who cares that you were an instructor?

Maki · Jul 29, 2020

Blaster229 said:
Who cares that you were an instructor?

The point of that being brought up is that the DNR pushed a new program that was supposed to be more universal around 09 if I'm remembering correctly, and there was some talk around about people with Hunter Safety certifications from before 2000 being required to take the new class (but ultimately was never pushed through.)

That's only a small point of my post though, the initial was asking if there's some sort of unspoken cut off date for the Hunter Safety Cards.

SkiPatrolDude · Jul 29, 2020

I never quite bought into the whole "buy a stripped lower and it counts as a regulated for HQL" thing.

Save yourself additional headache and spend the $28 on the Texas Hunter Safety Course, online only version. It's very simple and it's a DNR approved course and therefore approved for the MD HQL.

I submitted mine in with the temp email certificate of completion and it worked no prob.

https://www.hunter-ed.com/texas/

SkiPatrolDude · Jul 29, 2020

On second thought, i think this is the one I did. These are all links direct from the TX gov website, so all are good. This one is under $20

https://www.hunteredcourse.com/texas/

Batt816 · Jul 29, 2020

My hunter safety card was from 1984, and MSP accepted that as training exempt.

Nickberg500 · Jul 29, 2020

Maki said:
So, I was under the impression that purchasing a stripped lower qualified you be training exempt;

Lawfully owns a regulated firearm, you do not have to complete the training to apply for the Handgun Qualification License.

But apparently, as you're applying, it says that it has to be owned prior to 2013. When I was at the store getting fingerprinted, they asked me what my training exemption was and I told them that I had purchased the lower a few weeks back, as well as having my Hunter Safety card that I got in 03, and that I was an instructor up until 2012. Got told that the Hunter Safety wouldn't qualify me because it was "too old" and that they wouldn't care if I was a former instructor. Is this accurate? I haven't seen any information on MSP's site regarding a HS Card being "too old" just as I've never been told that I have to renew it to get my hunting license.

Are you positive on the stripped lower not being except part? Sounds like the store you went to lied. I bought a stripped lower recently for this explicit purpose

Mini14tac · Jul 29, 2020

Stripped lower works and the DNR hunter safety course also works regardless of issue date.

3paul10 · Jul 29, 2020

Blaster229 said:
Who cares that you were an instructor?

Good old Blaster....gets right to the point!

Blaster229 · Jul 29, 2020

3paul10 said:
Good old Blaster....gets right to the point!

Meh. I love when people say "I'm an instructor". let's see your patch vest.

Seriously. No one cares about someone's signature line of "achievements". Lol

Maki · Jul 29, 2020

Nickberg500 said:
Are you positive on the stripped lower not being except part? Sounds like the store you went to lied. I bought a stripped lower recently for this explicit purpose

Mini14tac said:
Stripped lower works and the DNR hunter safety course also works regardless of issue date.

I may have just misunderstood it. I can't go back as I've already filled out the initial application, but I could've sworn it was talking about if you owned a regulated firearm Pre-2013. If it works, great, it's just an additional bit if they want more.

It might just be the store trying to sell their own classes tbh. There was the "oh, we've heard stories of people being denied because of xxxx" when they were probably denied for a different reason. I only went to said store because it's the closest one I know that does the fingerprinting.

Mini14tac · Jul 29, 2020

A stripped lower could have been transferred a week ago and it works. There are plenty of threads on this.

dblas · Jul 29, 2020

Maki said:
So, I was under the impression that purchasing a stripped lower qualified you be training exempt;
Lawfully owns a regulated firearm, you do not have to complete the training to apply for the Handgun Qualification License.

But apparently, as you're applying, it says that it has to be owned prior to 2013.

No where is that in state statute, hell it can be a C&R handgun that you purchased (HQL Exempt purchase) last month and it satisfy the exemption.

Maki said:
When I was at the store getting fingerprinted, they asked me what my training exemption was and I told them that I had purchased the lower a few weeks back, as well as having my Hunter Safety card that I got in 03, and that I was an instructor up until 2012. Got told that the Hunter Safety wouldn't qualify me because it was "too old" and that they wouldn't care if I was a former instructor. Is this accurate?

Hunter safety is fine, no date requirement in state statute. You need to find a new store (and out the one that gave you the ******** info). See my remark above about the regulated firearm issue. And for the instructor exemption you have to be current, not former for it to be used/accepted.

Maki said:
I haven't seen any information on MSP's site regarding a HS Card being "too old" just as I've never been told that I have to renew it to get my hunting license.

Once you get a hunter safety card, it is good for life and in every state.

miles71 · Jul 30, 2020

Blaster229 said:
Meh. I love when people say "I'm an instructor". let's see your patch vest.

Seriously. No one cares about someone's signature line of "achievements". Lol

I pin my patches directly on my chest to show my macho superiority.

Blaster229 · Jul 30, 2020

miles71 said:
I pin my patches directly on my chest to show my macho superiority.

You should get them tattooed.

Mark75H · Jul 30, 2020

miles71 said:
I pin my patches directly on my chest to show my macho superiority.

What movie was that from? I can remember the scene but not the rest

DustyDave · Aug 5, 2020

Yes. I had training from the Maryland police training commission in 2008 — and they said it doesn’t qualify because it’s too old (Not that that matters since I had already owned a regulated firearm many years prior to that and didn’t need the training to satisfy the requirement). You actually have to send them an email and ask them if any training you had is valid. But I’m guessing unless it’s training that you got after they passed this law it’s probably not valid. Unfortunately this is Maryland.....And Democrats rule

dblas · Aug 5, 2020

DustyDave said:
Yes. I had training from the Maryland police training commission in 2008 — and they said it doesn’t qualify because it’s too old (Not that that matters since I had already owned a regulated firearm many years prior to that and didn’t need the training to satisfy the requirement). You actually have to send them an email and ask them if any training you had is valid. But I’m guessing unless it’s training that you got after they passed this law it’s probably not valid. Unfortunately this is Maryland.....And Democrats rule

Training timelines and exemptions are spelled out in state statute quite clearly. Any trainer and most folks here could have told you that the PTC training from 2008 would not qualify because it was over three years old.

aresdtr · Aug 5, 2020

Not necessarily the store trying to sell their training class. I have been told by MDSP: Training must be in last three years. Also been told: I got my HQL with a DNR Safety card older than 3 years. Figure it's always worth a try.

The regulated firearm to exempt individual from training would have to have been purchased before October 1, 2013, when the law went into effect because after that you couldn't buy a regulated firearm without an HQL. Other training exemptions are military (active, retired, reserve, or with DD214), law enforcement, and of course training acceptable to the MDSP. Some of these (e.g., active duty and fully retired military) are exempt from the HQL altogether.

dblas · Aug 5, 2020

aresdtr said:
Not necessarily the store trying to sell their training class. I have been told by MDSP: Training must be in last three years. Also been told: I got my HQL with a DNR Safety card older than 3 years. Figure it's always worth a try.

If you read the state statute, these are two completely different things. The direct training for the HQL has to be taken three years prior to application.

The hunter safety is an exemption to that training, and is in accordance with DNR requirements (Not applicable to the three year requirement)

aresdtr said:
The regulated firearm to exempt individual from training would have to have been purchased before October 1, 2013, when the law went into effect because after that you couldn't buy a regulated firearm without an HQL.

Incorrect since a C&R handgun requires no HQL, but does require a 7 day wait since Maryland considers it a regulated firearm. It can then be used as the "regulated firearm" exemption.

aresdtr said:
Other training exemptions are military (active, retired, reserve, or with DD214), law enforcement, and of course training acceptable to the MDSP. Some of these (e.g., active duty and fully retired military) are exempt from the HQL altogether.

Not all LE are exempt from the HQL or the training per state statute.

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