Need asault weapon I.D.ed

Arcamm · Oct 25, 2017

Any idea what this is? It's a percussion cap fired, but I haven't found any markings on it yet.

Note: for those of you who are not versed in assault weapons, it's the one on the top with the stickie thing. The one on the bottom is a Stevens 12 ga.

Blacksmith101 · Oct 25, 2017

Nice foot.

Caliber?
Barrel length?

Close up of the action.

Arcamm · Oct 25, 2017

Blacksmith101 said:
Nice foot.

Caliber?
Barrel length?

Close up of the action.

Not sure of the caliber but the bore is about 5/8"
barrel is 29" from the muzzle to the nipple.

And thanks about the foot. I've got another one that's a mirror image.

iH8DemLibz · Oct 25, 2017

Looks like a cut down military musket that was turned into a hunting shotgun/fowler. Hence the shortened stock and ramrod underneath the barrel.

Looks like a sling attachment point just ahead of the trigger guard. Which would not be present on an original civilian sporting arm.

The fancy scroll/metalwork behind the trigger guard is odd though. More 18th century than 19th century.

John from MD · Oct 25, 2017

I never saw a musket with a trigger guard like that. Got me. :shrug:

Arcamm · Oct 25, 2017

Here's the other side.

j8064 · Oct 25, 2017

Don't know what it is, but I'm sure the brain trust here will solve the riddle. I'd love to know the answer.

In the meantime I recommend you keep that bad boy assault rifle under lock and key! You never know when it might decide to go nutso on you - being in new surroundings and all... :sarcasm:

Art3 · Oct 25, 2017

iH8DemLibz said:
Looks like a cut down military musket that was turned into a hunting shotgun/fowler. Hence the shortened stock and ramrod underneath the barrel.

Looks like a sling attachment point just ahead of the trigger guard. Which would not be present on an original civilian sporting arm.

The fancy scroll/metalwork behind the trigger guard is odd though. More 18th century than 19th century.

I agree, "Bubba" has been around a long time.

Is it rifled?

Does the bayonet actually fit?

iH8DemLibz · Oct 25, 2017

Looks like you have what used to be a mid 19th century Brunswick Rifle.

You're missing the patch box/inletting in the butt stock though.

This also explains the notch in the top of your barrel ahead of the chamber. Missing rear sight. And those rectangular notches in the stock are for small wedges that secure the stock to the barrel. Your lower barrel band looks like it could have come off of any 18th/19th century military arm. The whole things looks cobbled together. As was mentioned previously.....Bubba.

I present to myself the MDS Sherlock Holmes award of the day.

Art3 · Oct 25, 2017

iH8DemLibz said:
Looks like you have what used to be a mid 19th century Brunswick Rifle.

You're missing the patch box/inletting in the butt stock though.

This also explains the notch in the top of your barrel ahead of the chamber. Missing rear sight. And those rectangular notches in the stock are for small wedges that secure the stock to the barrel. Your lower barrel band looks like it could have come off of any 18th/19th century military arm. The whole things looks cobbled together. As was mentioned previously.....Bubba.

I present to myself the MDS Sherlock Holmes award of the day.

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Excellent work! :thumbsup:

I was looking hard at that rectangular hole thinking it might have been for a wedge (and was coming back to ask if that was a possibility), and poured through my Dixie Gun Works catalog trying to find that trigger guard.

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John from MD · Oct 25, 2017

Does it still have the Brunswick twist barrel or was that Bubba'd out?

2112rws · Oct 25, 2017

Looks like one of the East India Company Muskets from IMA

Arcamm · Oct 25, 2017

Art3 said:
I agree, "Bubba" has been around a long time.

Is it rifled?

Does the bayonet actually fit?

Looks like the bayonet might fit, if there were a little less rust.

I think it's rifled, what do you think?

iH8DemLibz said:
Looks like you have what used to be a mid 19th century Brunswick Rifle.

You're missing the patch box/inletting in the butt stock though.

This also explains the notch in the top of your barrel ahead of the chamber. Missing rear sight. And those rectangular notches in the stock are for small wedges that secure the stock to the barrel. Your lower barrel band looks like it could have come off of any 18th/19th century military arm. The whole things looks cobbled together. As was mentioned previously.....Bubba.

I present to myself the MDS Sherlock Holmes award of the day.

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Looks like you've found it! You wouldn't have a better picture would you? Thank you Mr. Holmes.

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iH8DemLibz · Oct 25, 2017

Arcamm · Oct 25, 2017

John from MD said:
Does it still have the Brunswick twist barrel or was that Bubba'd out?

How would I tell that?

John from MD · Oct 25, 2017

Here is a link to some pictures.

https://www.google.com/search?q=bru...hWH7YMKHYmaCbcQ9QEIKjAA#imgrc=8Oqk5G6Fv4uEAM:

iH8DemLibz · Oct 25, 2017

The Brunswick Bambi Model.

Arcamm · Oct 25, 2017

I started to look for some marks and there are some faint ones on the side plate, but rust covered/distorted. I did notice the but plate is marked.

Blacksmith101 · Oct 26, 2017

Have you stuck the ramrod all the way down to see if it reaches the nipple? With old BP muzzle loaders that is one of the first things to check because if there is still a load in the barrel it could be dangerous because black powder can still go off no matter how old.

Arcamm · Oct 26, 2017

Blacksmith101 said:
Have you stuck the ramrod all the way down to see if it reaches the nipple? With old BP muzzle loaders that is one of the first things to check because if there is still a load in the barrel it could be dangerous because black powder can still go off no matter how old.

The first thing I did was make sure there wasn't a cap still on it. Then I checked the bore. The rod goes in as far as the rod is in the picture, so I'm assuming there's something in there and treating it as loaded. My $13 bore camera doesn't show much.

What do you think?

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