JGA (Anschutz) Karabiner 6 m/m Flobert

Abulg1972 · Apr 23, 2015

I stumbled upon one of these in the wild today but can find almost no information about it. It looks identical to the bottom rifle pictured here except that it has grasping grooves on the stock and it has a (maybe two?) sling swivel around the barrel in front of the fore end of the stock and one at the underside butt of the stock. Sling swivels look crudely made but original/old.

The bolt is kind of delicate and intricate looking. A skinny, turned down bolt handle with a ball on the end with decorative circles around it. The top of the receiver is stamped J over (large) G over A, all in a circle. The top of the barrel is stamped, "Original J.G.A. Karabiner". The side rail is marked, in addition to the crown proof marks, "Cal. 6 m/m Flob." The S/N is in the 440,000s.

Does anyone know anything about these? Thanks!

CasualObserver · Apr 23, 2015

I have one (not just like that, but same genre). They are also referred to sometimes as parlor guns. They shoot essentially the original cb cap and ball cap 22 round (not to be confused with what some ammo companies call cb short 22 rounds). RWS still makes them and the last time I ordered them I had to get them from CTD. Mine is a bit fancier. I thought they would be ultra quiet, but was surprised at how loud they were. I'll try to post a pic later, but google flobert parlor rifles and you'll get some info. Never seen one before that actually had a s/n... they usually never bothered. I think most were late 1800s in general.

Abulg1972 · Apr 23, 2015

Thanks! I think they did away with the frills after WW2 and when RWS imported them in the 50s/60s. This one is probably from the 1930s, based on things I've found.

Abulg1972 · Apr 23, 2015

I found some pictures of the stock and bolt handle.

CasualObserver · Apr 23, 2015

Didn't realize they imported them into the 50s, but I'm not surprised. Here is a quick picture of mine and some rounds (both Conical Ball and Ball Cap). Mine is a little fancier... metal butt plate, fancy trigger guard, hex barrel, ect. Its missing the rear sight which some day I will find or make but hey, I only paid $30 for it so I can't complain.

Abulg1972 · Apr 23, 2015

Yeah, yours is fancy compared to this one. It has a nice figured stock and a metal butt plate but is very simple and small.

I found this. http://www.flobert-derringer.com/mobile/Product.aspx?ProductCode=24102

CasualObserver · Apr 23, 2015

Abulg1972 said:
Yeah, yours is fancy compared to this one. It has a nice figured stock and a metal butt plate but is very simple and small.

I found this. http://www.flobert-derringer.com/mobile/Product.aspx?ProductCode=24102

I've seen that site (when I was looking for ammo awhile back). Problem is, I believe they are located in Czechoslovakia. They got some interesting flobert guns that are still made on the site.

Machodoc · Apr 23, 2015

The 6 mm Flobert round is kinda cool. Some of the bullets are solid, and some used to be made of pressed lead powder, so you could shoot them in the parlor (ergo, "parlor gun") with a target and small trap. The compressed bullet would powder on impact, thereby being safe to shoot indoors ... if you don't count all the lead dust that your family breathed in. If you wonder why Great Uncle Ed was a little funny, that could explain it.

I've got a very basic model of Flobert parlor rifle. (The Plain Jane version of Casual Observer's) It used to sell for $2 in the Sears catalog, and was advertised in magazines like Boy's Life. There's no bolt. You pull back the hammer, load a round, and the falling hammer (in theory) holds the casing from blowing back into your eye. I don't know if it's by accident, or design, but my cases blow back enough that you can pull them out of the chamber, but the hammer still holds them in.

Ammo can be found for them, but it's pricey. But, at the rate I shoot mine, one canister of 50 rounds will last about 25 years.

You can put an eye out with those, kids!

Abulg1972 · Apr 23, 2015

The bluing on this one is pretty worn, with most now a brown patina. The stock is really cool/pretty, though, and has not bee touched. They want $125 for it. I almost picked it up for s & g, but decided I'd better move along for now.

Machodoc · Apr 23, 2015

If it's at a gun store, offer them $75 for it, and mention that the ammo is now scarce and expensive. They probably paid under $50 for that one (I'm thinking around $25). If they'll come down to that, it might be worth having for S&G. Otherwise, probably not. For around $125 you can get a new Cricket .22 LR that's far more practical. The Flobert rifle has some curio value, but unless it's a model with more personality than that one, there's not much collectible value.

Brickman301 · Apr 23, 2015

I have a single shot bolt action one as well, fun, neat little rifle. I'll have to go dig mine out of the safe and take pictures of it. I shoot CCI CB caps out of mine. Do you know if it had rifling in the barrel? i'll have to check because I believe mine is a smoothbore, but it was still a pretty accurate little gun, for what it is.

Abulg1972 · Apr 23, 2015

Brickman301 said:
I have a single shot bolt action one as well, fun, neat little rifle. I'll have to go dig mine out of the safe and take pictures of it. I shoot CCI CB caps out of mine. Do you know if it had rifling in the barrel? i'll have to check because I believe mine is a smoothbore, but it was still a pretty accurate little gun, for what it is.

The 6 m/m Flobert is a round meant for a rifle so I believe this had to be rifled although I couldn't look down the bore due to trigger lock. They did make this in a smoothbore, which was meant to use the shotshells.

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