Voting for governor in this state is like deciding what arm you want cut off.
Hogan Approval poll
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Voting for governor in this state is like deciding what arm you want cut off.
Cut off the evil one...
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
- 7,408
By our bylaws and under Section 501(c)(4), MSI is absolutely non-partisan and we don’t and can’t endorse candidates. We have allies (sorta) in both parties. And we don’t tell anyone what to do. We just look at whether a person will help or hurt the cause of civil rights. But that’s not a black or white, either/or question. There is a continuum. So in each election, folks may want to compare where the candidates in either party fall on that continuum and vote for the most pro-civil rights candidate on that slate, both in the primaries and in the general elections. Voting is crucial. Absolutely crucial. Throwing up your hands and walking away from the process entirely just makes it easier for our opponents. Sending money to your favored candidate helps too. In doing so, please don’t apply a purity test. Believe me when I say that it will make my life FAR easier in Annapolis if I am talking with someone whose mind is at least open. I can’t persuade an ideologue or a brick wall. I can’t even get into the room. All I can do is sue them and only then when they are way over the line. Lawsuits are a very expensive and a very long and drawn out process in which success is hardly guaranteed. So, yes, it can very definitely get worse. Something to chew on.
Remember too that not everyone here is an MSI member. Some are, some aren't.
I think it's a very fine line with what Occam is talking about. Perfect is the enemy of good and we have seen TOO MANY TIMES that play out with people like Judge Moore, but there is also another aspect to it. When do you primary someone who's voting record is soo muddled that it's hard to really say they are a friend anymore? We don't want to throw good seats away, but we also don't want people who feel that "Hey, I can do whatever I want because anyone they primary me with is 100x times worse, so I'll become 10x worse because 10x worse is still better than 100x worse."
We don't want to primary a good Representative because we only agreed with them 90% of the time, but we also don't want representatives who aren't afraid of not being re-elected either.
I think it's a very fine line with what Occam is talking about. Perfect is the enemy of good and we have seen TOO MANY TIMES that play out with people like Judge Moore, but there is also another aspect to it. When do you primary someone who's voting record is soo muddled that it's hard to really say they are a friend anymore? We don't want to throw good seats away, but we also don't want people who feel that "Hey, I can do whatever I want because anyone they primary me with is 100x times worse, so I'll become 10x worse because 10x worse is still better than 100x worse."
We don't want to primary a good Representative because we only agreed with them 90% of the time, but we also don't want representatives who aren't afraid of not being re-elected either.
Kyler
Member
Hogan is the only Maryland Republican with a chance to win the next election for Governor. If you want a Democrat next time around, don't vote for him.
If you want the Democrats to continue their gerrymandering, don't vote for Hogan. He gets to redistrict the State if he wins.
It is that simple.
If you want the Democrats to continue their gerrymandering, don't vote for Hogan. He gets to redistrict the State if he wins.
It is that simple.
ddeanjohnson
autodidact
- Aug 21, 2010
- 801
Take a few minutes today to communicate to Governor Hogan that there is something he can do that will make you happy and also uphold the federal Bill of Rights: veto House Bill 1302.
See https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=222628
See https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=222628
The next governor gets to give mike and mike his version of a redistricting map. They don’t have to accept it then someone has to sue the state, so what hogan would get if re-elected is a chance to submit such a map that mike and mike get to look at and if they feel like it......
CrueChief
Cocker Dad/RIP Bella
This ^^^^^Just because Hogan gets reelected doesn't mean the gerrymandering will be even remotely fixed, in fact with all the effect they put into it unless the courts demand a change the mikes will likely not change it for the better if at all. And there will be little that hogan can do about it, they saw to that when writing it.
Food for thought.
P W Botha? F W de Klerk?
- Feb 19, 2013
- 18,726
If Hogan signs the bill with new rules, the HPRB will be nothing but a show trial. Hell, MSP doesn't even have to show up. It doesn't rescind their right to have it reheard with an ALJ.
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
- 7,408
FWIW, That's the first vote out of the House on the initial House bill. They say they didn't understand the bill. Quite possible, as the House committee completely rewrote the bill secretly and the House leadership pushed it through very fast. Frankly, it caught a lot of us looking the other way. Our opponents are sneaky and underhanded and play by their own rules. House members were then educated. Here is the second vote after it was amended in the Senate to be far less onerous (still God Awful -- the initial House version was just far worse). On the final bill (as amended in the Senate), the House vote was 93 to 46, with four Republicans voting for the bill. Those four were Delegate Kathy Afzali (District 4, Frederick and Carroll Counties), Delegate Chris West, (District 42B, Baltimore County), Delegate Susan L. M. Auman, (District 42B, Baltimore County) and Delegate Robert L. Flanagan, (District 9B, Howard County). All other Republicans voted "NO." Note the switch (including Sue Krebs). Led by Judicial Proceedings Committee members, Senators Hough, Ready, Cassilly and Senator Linda Norman, nearly every Senate Republican stood with us on HB 1302, after it emerged from Committee. Senator Mathias, a Democrat, also voted "NO." The only Republican exception was Senator Reilly District 33, Anne Arundel County. Politicians make mistakes all the time. These Delegates sought to redeem themselves the second time around. Folks can come to their own conclusions whether to set aside the initial vote. I have. It is more than fair to hold everyone to account for their final votes.
Robert
Having Fun Yet?
Take a long hard look at those who Yea'd, and then watch them all get re-elected..... Rinse & repeat.
CrueChief
Cocker Dad/RIP Bella
rockstarr
Major Deplorable
Yeah, imo, they only changed their votes after having their ass handed back to them via their constituents. All of a sudden their minds change when they get scared of losing a lot of votes...
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
- 7,408
Perhaps so. That's life as a politician. They are all guilty of being politicians (by definition - they run for political office). Frankly, it is not a job I would want.
They don’t just want that job, they spend money and campaign to get it. And imo it’s just so they can put themselves in a position to make even more money by being in front of and involved in things to make even more money than their job pays
Term limits would help a lot in this regard
ddeanjohnson
autodidact
- Aug 21, 2010
- 801
Also, Delegate David Vogt (R-4th District -Carroll/Frederick)
Republican Delegate David Vogt (District 4, Carroll & Frederick) also voted for HB 1302 on that final roll call, so that is five House Republicans voting for the final bill.
Republican Delegate David Vogt (District 4, Carroll & Frederick) also voted for HB 1302 on that final roll call, so that is five House Republicans voting for the final bill.
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